seeds wrote:it is a concept (a belief) that exists in conjunction with some extremely profound and personal epiphanies that I experienced in my youth...
Thank you for your response.
A lot of people (including me) might say that their ideas have been formed by extremely profound and personal epiphanies and/or significant peak experiences. Yet, there are so many different ideas as a result of that. And still, most of these people will say that their ideas are UNIQUELY accurate and representative of ultimate truth. How is that possible?
seeds wrote:And that (I believe) is how insignificant our present situation is compared to the transcendent situation that awaits us.
Well I agree that our present "reality" is insignificant. What I'm saying is that I don't think there is a situation awaiting us.
seeds wrote:Now just replace the image of the acorn above with the image of a human head... and then think of it as being the “ultimate seed” in all of existence... /...in the form of the infinite potential of the human mind.../ ...Now if you take the obvious analogy of how “wondrous” the oak tree is compared to the acorn, then you will understand why I apply the word “wondrous” to what I believe will be our ultimate and eternal form.
I see what you're saying, and although I think the human mind has tremendously more potential than is being realized, I do not think the human mind has infinite potential, nor do I think it will lead us to our ultimate and eternal form -- not only because I don't think the human mind can do that, but also because I think there is NO ultimate and eternal form.
To use your analogy... the human mind is an acorn that can grow into a mighty oak. That's it. That is its function and potential. Nothing more. When you link it to infinite potential, that sounds like human ego is involved (and perhaps wanting to insist on its significance). Why not consider that these human "containers", which include these human "minds", are just for the potential of this reality and this vibration. I agree with you that we are more than this
... but I think it's on an energetic level that transcends all human associations (which includes the human mind and thinking and understanding). It seems to me that there is so much more beyond this human vibration we are contained in, and our human minds are naturally limited and blind to the continually evolving frequencies which would surely fry our circuits and/or make our illusion impossible to sustain.
To me, linking the human mind with such evolving energetic vastness not only seems unnecessary for any useful understanding or purpose, but it seems unrealistic and imaginary.
seeds wrote:I personally believe that a wondrous eternal destiny awaits each of us - one that does not end with a re-absorption of our individual consciousness into some kind of homogenous state of “Oneness.”
You say that second part like it's a bad thing.
And I think that's because you might be applying human judgments to it. Also, why does there need to be a "destiny"? What is wrong with continually evolving creativity? Again, this idea of having a destiny sounds like a human need, based on human judgments of how things should be -- and perhaps the human desire to feel significance and purpose.
seeds wrote:We are agents of consciousness who are imbued with the capability of creating holographic-like manifestations of “reality” within the closed and subjective arena of our own personal universe (our mind)
Possibly. That doesn't mean there is any permanence or significant linkage or agenda or destination. The human reality could be just ONE FORM of energy (of countless forms) moving around.
seeds wrote:...just as God (our ultimate parent) has done with his mind.
This sounds fanciful to me.
seeds wrote:And through the process of death we will be “delivered” (birthed) into a higher context of consciousness and existence (literally "outside" of this universe) in which God and our ultimate form (the exact same form as God) will be openly revealed to us.
This makes no sense to me. It all seems very human.
seeds wrote:...then just imagine how wondrous our “true” and eternal form must be.
What is this need to imagine such a thing? Why is it important to imagine a "true and eternal form"? Is it man's attempt to identify himself as majestic beyond all of this? Why is that necessary?
Such thinking suggests to me an attitude that cannot love the glory of this moment. Taken to an extreme, it can seem disrespectful and even hateful. It is like saying, "I am not of THIS... I am of something more significant and wonderful... THIS is dark and evil... and what is BEYOND is light and holy." So without even realizing it, theists risk being the most hateful humans of all because of the way they renounce everything and focus beyond it. Would you do that to a beloved right in front of you? Where else is more important and "real" to look except at the beloved right in front of you?
seeds wrote:I cannot emphasize strongly enough the importance of visualizing how “natural” and “organic” our ultimate situation truly is.
Yes, which is why it would surely continually evolve! It is not natural and organic to have a certain "situation".
seeds wrote:And just as we had no control over our initial awakening into existence, likewise, we have no control over what our state of existence will be post-death.
In other words, it will be done for us - just as it was done for us at our inception.
I would say that nothing is being "done", and there is no one doing the "doing"... it's just naturally evolving and shifting. There is no thinking or agenda involved. There is no separate "is-ness" controlling all other "is-ness".
seeds wrote:you seem to be viewing “thought” (mental imaging energy/mental holography) as being a problem for the mind.
No... I simply view human perception and ideas as limited, and unable to truly fathom anything beyond that. Imagination is wonderful: it is human artwork. Do you think a child drawing a sun on a piece of paper has any true concept of all the magnificence and nature of a real sun? That's how I view human thoughts and imagination. We can have fun imagining, but we can have no real clue beyond the limited tools and ideas that we use. Being an "adult" changes nothing about this.
seeds wrote:In other words, Lacewing, what you think of as being the “physical realm” is an illusion taking place between our minds and that of the informationally-based energy essence...
Sure, I can see this! I simply use the terminology of a "physical realm" to reflect what humans believe it to be. I don't really think it's solid or real beyond my immediate illusion of it. The fact that humans view it as solid and significant, though, is exactly why humans allow that to mold their ideas of all ELSE that there is or must be.
seeds wrote:...through-which a higher mind (God’s mind) expresses itself.
Again... to me, the concept of "mind" is a human concept. There doesn't need to be a bigger, higher, other mind. This is the fundamental difference between you and I, it seems... so we will never agree how everything else extends/evolves beyond that... but that's okay, it's interesting to share varying viewpoints.
seeds wrote:the “oneness” that you are describing above, to me, seems to spell oblivion for our individual being and personal self-awareness.
Well, here's what I can say... There is nothing wrong with completeness. Separation is of the "physical" realm of forms. And humans like to think that their separateness is special.
seeds wrote:You and Dam are positing the very antithesis to the reason and effort that went into waking us into existence in the first place.
I don't think there was a reason and effort. It's all just free-flowing artwork.
seeds wrote:As far as I am concerned, there has been no separation of man from oneness.
Then why is there anywhere to "go" (such as an ultimate destiny)?
seeds wrote:There has merely been an eternal partitioning of the “oneness substance” into unique focalizations (bubbles) of personal self-awareness who are each capable of creating “reality” (within their bubble) out of the very essence from which they and the “oneness substance” itself are formed.
Nice description. So why would there be any need for a "god" to inform all the bubbles of that which they are ALREADY made of? Why wouldn't the bubbles just keep bubbling along naturally from the oneness?