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(Look into my eyes
- these are not the droids you are looking for and the following is not a “long” post
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seeds wrote:
You have not explored the implications of your statement deeply enough and have simply assumed that nobody would wonder how a “cloud of life energy” (for lack of a better description), could somehow process mental holography (thought).
Dontaskme wrote:
Well no one can ever know how ''energetic thought'' appears to itself... it happens though because you are the awareness in which thought appears. You can't know how or why it happens, because you are that happening, you cannot step outside of the happening to examine it. A thought can never ''step out'' of itself. Awareness is not in time or space. It is in itself, as itself, alone. It is only the mind that is the thinker of a thought.
No.
The “thinker” of a thought is the ineffable (unvisualizable)
“I-AM” who sits at the throne of consciousness within the mind.
Dontaskme wrote:
And what is the mind but a conglomeration of thoughts?
The human mind is the “living ethereal medium” in which thoughts are created and suspended – just as the universe (from a Panentheistic perspective) is the living medium in which the thoughts of a higher
“I-AM” are created and suspended (“as above, so below”).
Dontaskme wrote:
Where is the mind apart from thoughts?
The mind is an inseparable aspect and extension of the living, self-aware “agent” of consciousness who owns the mind (again, the
“I-AM,” for lack of a better term).
Dontaskme wrote:
If there is no thought, can there be a mind?
Yes.
Dontaskme wrote:
They cancel each other out.
Nonsense!
Dontaskme wrote:
And what happens to you? Nothing. You don't fall apart. You don't disappear.
Correct. But a conclusion arrived-at through dubious means.
It also begs the question: do you - as an individualization of personal self-awareness -
disappear at the moment of physical death?
If no, then non-duality is a non-starter because we will all continue to exist as
individuals in a transcendent context.
If yes, then you are promulgating the nihilistic concept of our oblivion.
(Oh, I know, we will continue on as “Pure awareness.” Can't you see how nondescript and silly that sounds?)
Dontaskme wrote:
What is left? Pure awareness.
No.
If there is no thought, then what is left is the living, self-aware owner of the mind.
For example, at the moment when you were first jettisoned from your mother's womb, there were basically no thoughts present within your mind, yet
you - (the conscious owner of the mind) -
existed. You existed, but not as “Pure awareness,” but as an individualization of living consciousness with a unique (one-of-a-kind) “personal” identity.
Again, you are positing the absurd notion that “Pure awareness” (which, to me, sounds like a nebulous “field” of life energy) could somehow be directly and intentionally cognizant of something.
seeds wrote:
Furthermore, you have created a boldly titled thread in which you have proclaimed that the fundamental mistake of religions is that they do not embrace “non-duality.”
Dontaskme wrote:
No, I didn't say that, I said Nonduality is that which is not a belief system itself, unlike man-made religions are. It's message points directly to the emptiness unborn pure awareness in which everything appears, and is that which does away with all belief systems.
Can you not see the irony in your words?
You are promoting a belief system that believes it is doing away with belief systems.
seeds wrote:
Yet ironically (and seemingly unbeknownst to you), in your statement that - “...it’s aware of thought...” – you have confirmed the existence of the “dual” nature of the very realm of which you are touting to be “non-dual.”
Dontaskme wrote:
Life or reality is Nondual.
You say that with a great deal of confidence. Yet earlier, you said that you “agreed” with the following...
seeds wrote:
I am completely on board with the idea that the fundamental level of the “ALL-THAT-IS” exists in a state of “ONENESS” (in the Spinozan sense) in that there is but one basic substance composing all of reality.
However, I cannot help but to visualize that “ONENESS” substance as being an amalgam of the essence of life, and of that through-which life expresses itself (the essence of thought) – thus an implicit “duality.”
I appreciate the fact that you agree with me on something. However, what you are agreeing with seems to suggest that your stance on non-duality has a little bit of “wiggle room” (and that’s a good thing).
Btw, you imply that what you are promoting is not a belief system, yet there is no mistaking its resemblance to “Advaita Vedanta” from Hinduism.
I mean you no offense, but have a look at “The Advaita Trap” cartoon on YouTube to understand what you sound like. Here’s the link:
https://youtu.be/4KXidr0z1RY
And trust me; I am on your side when it comes to realizing the illusory nature of reality.
However, I personally believe that a wondrous eternal destiny awaits each of us - one that does not end with a re-absorption of our individual consciousness into some kind of homogenous state of “Oneness.”
(It never ceases to amaze me how the word “Oneness” can make oblivion sound glorious and desirable.)
Again, check out “The Advaita Trap” spoof on YouTube -
https://youtu.be/4KXidr0z1RY
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