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Was math invented or discovered?
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Exactly. Patterns exist in nature regardless of animal senses or measurement conventions.Dalek Prime wrote:I accept that the same principles probably exist outside my sphere, whether a consciousness is there to measure the speed of light, the temperature of a star, the area under a curve, or what not. They will still be the same, unmeasured and un-pattern matched.
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5 seems to be a magical number.Greta wrote:Exactly. Patterns exist in nature regardless of animal senses or measurement conventions.Dalek Prime wrote:I accept that the same principles probably exist outside my sphere, whether a consciousness is there to measure the speed of light, the temperature of a star, the area under a curve, or what not. They will still be the same, unmeasured and un-pattern matched.
We have 5 fingers on each hand and 5 toes on each foot.
If you divide a circle's arc by it's radius you get exactly 5 segments.
This also gives a pentagram if you connect the points.
5 is one of those magical numbers that you've got to love.
The ancient Egyptians doubled it for 10.
The Greeks took 10 from them.
The Hebrews somehow came up with 7 from the ancient Babylonians who counted 7 heavenly bodies in the sky --
- the Sun
- the Moon
- Venus
- Jupiter
- Saturn
- Mars
- Mercury.
I guess it all just depends on what you think is most important -- your fingers, your toes, or the things you can see up in the sky.
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Actually it was Voltaire who said: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." I’ve learned that "If the Devil did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him" It seems that if we are content, we simply devolve. A pain in the ass is necessary to provide the necessary impulse for Man’s conscious evolution. The Devil provides this.Yios said: I believe if I am not mistaken that Immanuel Kant said that if God did not exist then we would still be forced to invent Him.
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Did you hear that from the devil, or Simone Weil?Nick_A wrote:Actually it was Voltaire who said: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." I’ve learned that "If the Devil did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him" It seems that if we are content, we simply devolve. A pain in the ass is necessary to provide the necessary impulse for Man’s conscious evolution. The Devil provides this.Yios said: I believe if I am not mistaken that Immanuel Kant said that if God did not exist then we would still be forced to invent Him.
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DPwrote:
Acually it is a basic Christian ideaDid you hear that from the devil, or Simone Weil?
Jesus didn't tell Satan to go to hell. Jesus told Peter to get behind him. Peter's attitude was a necessary pain in the ass but secondary to Jesus' mission.Matthew 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."
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Who cares?
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Hello all.
Arithmos or arithmetic (number) isn't just about symbols or language, it is fundamental processes that define structure and form through addition, subtraction, division and multiplication. The principle dyad (base pair) is addition and subtraction. This is charge (+) and discharge (-) expressed as expansion and compression, as well as centrifugal and centripetal spin. Addition and subtraction define polarisation - multiplication and division are variations of these principles at both the micro and macro levels.
The pythagoreans believed number was the first principle and that there was a numerical ordering to the cosmos. If this is so, we would see order to numbers and their systems. Here's some stuff I have worked on to try and show this underlying order.
Thanks
https://iamautogenes.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... e.html?m=1
https://iamautogenes.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... x.html?m=1
Arithmos or arithmetic (number) isn't just about symbols or language, it is fundamental processes that define structure and form through addition, subtraction, division and multiplication. The principle dyad (base pair) is addition and subtraction. This is charge (+) and discharge (-) expressed as expansion and compression, as well as centrifugal and centripetal spin. Addition and subtraction define polarisation - multiplication and division are variations of these principles at both the micro and macro levels.
The pythagoreans believed number was the first principle and that there was a numerical ordering to the cosmos. If this is so, we would see order to numbers and their systems. Here's some stuff I have worked on to try and show this underlying order.
Thanks
https://iamautogenes.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... e.html?m=1
https://iamautogenes.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... x.html?m=1
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math does lack qualities and it also deals too heavily in even absolutes. I doubt nature works so cleanly as math. Applied mathematics is effective in situational problem solving just not so good in describing reality.
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There is no difference between invented and discovered. Some people with power enough name some important knowledge as "discovered" so that the one who has invented that knowledge desn't have the chance to earn money with it.
If I discover a way to reorganizate materials to do a motor, is the same as making a new field in maths.
If I discover a way to reorganizate materials to do a motor, is the same as making a new field in maths.
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Something that is invented cannot ever be unknown. But somethingTSBU wrote:
There is no difference between invented and discovered
that is discovered will have been unknown. So there is a difference
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Something that is invented can be unknown, everything that isn't invented yet, is unknown.surreptitious57 wrote:Something that is invented cannot ever be unknown. But somethingTSBU wrote:
There is no difference between invented and discovered
that is discovered will have been unknown. So there is a difference
My poopEnglish doesn't allow me to understand "Will have been unknown".
I've had the same argument in my language.
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I only meant something that already exists will have been unknown such as a discoveryTSBU wrote:Something that is invented can be unknown everything that isnt invented yet is unknownsurreptitious57 wrote:Something that is invented cannot ever be unknown. But somethingTSBU wrote:
There is no difference between invented and discovered
that is discovered will have been unknown. So there is a difference
My poop English doesnt allow me to understand will have been unknown
So I did not mean something that has yet to exist such as an invention
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I still don't get it. But it's a language problem.surreptitious57 wrote: I only meant something that already exists will have been unknown such as a discovery
So I did not mean something that has yet to exist such as an invention
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yiostheoy wrote:
5 seems to be a magical number
5 does not seem to be a magical number
We have 5 fingers on each hand and 5 toes on each foot
We do but that has got nothing to do with 5 being a magical number
If you divide a circles arc by its radius you get exactly 5 segments
You do but that has also got nothing to do with 5 being a magical number
This also gives a pentagram if you connect the points
Yes it does and they do have an association with magic
5 is one of those magical numbers that you have got to love
No 5 is not a magical number you have got to love
The ancient Egyptians doubled it for 10
Yes they did but it is not a magical number
The Greeks took 10 from them
Yes they did but it is still not a magical number
The Hebrews somehow came up with 7 from the ancient Babylonians who counted 7 heavenly bodies in the sky
Sun / Moon / Venus / Jupiter / Saturn / Mars / Mercury
Yes they did but 7 is no more a magical number than 5 is in spite of this
I guess it all just depends on what you think is most important - your fingers your toes or the things you can see up in the sky
In order of preference it would be fingers and toes and sky things but none of them have anything to do with magical numbers