Is the need of salvation an evil lie from religions?

[Greatest I am]

Is the need of salvation an evil lie from religions?

Some religions like Christianity and Islam teach that people are condemned by God and that we have to work to gain salvation. God created us ill, and orders us to be well, on pain of tremendous eternal torture and eventual death. This teaching follows the one where we are told that God is unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways. This makes the notions of condemnation and the need for salvation obvious lies.

Gnostic Christianity does not use this type of carrot and stick motivation in its theology. We are Universalists and only see a heaven, no hell. We think God too good a creator to ever have to condemn anyone. Our God is a winner, not the loser God that Christianity has invented. All the Gods are myths created to help us reach our highest human potential and are only tools to open our inner eye. Our single eye as Jesus calls it.

How we can forgive ourselves is that as Universalists, we have tied righteousness to equality. The logic trail from there says that if God is to punish anyone, he would have to punish everyone as everyone contributes to what we all are.

For instance. If God were to punish Hitler, he would have to revue what made Hitler what he ended up being. God would follow his time line and see perhaps that his parents spanked him and God would know what we know today, that spanking creates resentment and a delinquent attitude. That beginning would see Hitler's parents setting his mindset which eventually flowered into his tyrannical nature. So to be just, God would automatically have to punish Hitler's parents. That same logic would apply to everyone who contributed or facilitated Hitler's rise to infamy.

So for you and me to blame just ourselves for what we are would be quite unjust. This is not to say that we hold no responsibility for our actions, just not all of them.

Do you agree that the need of Salvation promoted by religions is an evil lie?

Regards
DL

[Harbal]

Maybe Hitler wasn't spanked enough, who knows?

[Harbal]

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For instance. If God were to punish Hitler, he would have to revue what made Hitler what he ended up being. God would follow his time line and see perhaps that his parents spanked him

It must have been a hell of a spanking.

[Greatest I am]

Maybe Hitler wasn't spanked enough, who knows?

Or the spanking made him what he became.

Studies have shown that those who are physically punished tend to fare worse overall than those who are not abused in that way.

Use the rod and spoil the child is closer to the truth than spare the rod and spoil the child.

Regards
DL

[Jaded Sage]

The way the church teaches it is. The truth isn't.

[Greatest I am]

The way the church teaches it is. The truth isn't.

For sure.

Regards
DL

[Jaded Sage]

The way the church teaches it is. The truth isn't.

For sure.

Regards
DL

Is that the first time we've completely agreed on something? Lol

[Greatest I am]

The way the church teaches it is. The truth isn't.

For sure.

Regards
DL

Is that the first time we've completely agreed on something? Lol

No. I agree with many statements.

Regards
DL

[Jaded Sage]

Oh. That's good to know. Lol

[Greta]

A very long time ago, long before religions learned how to play manipulative games, the idea of salvation most likely stemmed from the simple need for most people to work extremely hard to survive. So you save yourself with sustained effort and laziness results in suffering.

In the end it's the idea of salvation is just one of many ways that bosses throughout history have used to control and push their underlings.

[Greatest I am]

A very long time ago, long before religions learned how to play manipulative games, the idea of salvation most likely stemmed from the simple need for most people to work extremely hard to survive. So you save yourself with sustained effort and laziness results in suffering.

In the end it's the idea of salvation is just one of many ways that bosses throughout history have used to control and push their underlings.

I and my favorite Bishop agree that it is all about creating the false guilt you are talking about to bring the gullible sheeple to heel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

Regards
DL

[bobevenson]

The Church of Ouzo doesn't claim a need for salvation, but does offer it in a game.

[Greatest I am]

The Church of Ouzo doesn't claim a need for salvation, but does offer it in a game.

Then there is no hell in your Church of Ouzo.

Good. The world has enough lies already.

Regards
DL

[bobevenson]

The Church of Ouzo doesn't claim a need for salvation, but does offer it in a game.

Then there is no hell in your Church of Ouzo.

Good. The world has enough lies already.

Regards
DL

Hell is produced by our institutional false prophets that prevent the fruition of Revelation 17:17 (a description of the beast with seven heads and ten horns in chapter and verse): "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

[Philosophy Explorer]

The Church of Ouzo doesn't claim a need for salvation, but does offer it in a game.

Then there is no hell in your Church of Ouzo.

Good. The world has enough lies already.

Regards
DL

Hell is produced by our institutional false prophets that prevent the fruition of Revelation 17:17 (a description of the beast with seven heads and ten horns in chapter and verse): "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

Your divine guidance has failed you because you misspelled the first fulfill.

PhilX