Hobbes' Choice wrote:...we can never escape the fact the objective is as humanly constructed as the subjective world and is only seen through each of our subjective filters.
Hi Hobbes, well said! And in general I agree with this statement. BUT, if we wish to be ‘technically’ correct, then there are actually 3 (three) exceptions to this claim. There are 3 things that exist in the ‘objective world’ (i.e. with ‘certainty’) that do not require “subjective filters” (i.e. a subjective view) to confirm/see its existence. We can know these 3 items exist with certainty, beyond that of our ability to subjectively perceive them. These certainties are:
1. The
‘subjectiveness’ itself! We can claim with absolute and objective certainty that
‘Experiencing’ exists. It is an absolute, self-evident, and an undeniable truth (…the more we deny it, the more we affirm it!). This is an ‘objective’ truth that does not require viewing through the “subjective filters” to confirm/see its existence.
2. Secondly, and contingent upon the existence of ‘experiencing’, an
‘Experiencer’ exists. For without an ‘experiencer’, ‘experiencing’ could not logically happen/exist. One requires the other. (Note: be careful not to jump to conclusions over who/what this mystery 'experiencer' is!)
So now we know 2 things exist with certainty (within the ‘objective world’); one is ‘absolute’, and the other is ‘logically derived’, and neither require viewing through the subjective world/filters/eyeglasses to confirm its existence. So what else exists (with certainty) in this ‘objective’ world’?
3. Thirdly, and again contingent upon the existence of ‘experiencing’,
‘Memory’ exists. For without Memory, experiences could not logically be
‘known’, and in effect, could not be ‘felt’, (…i.e. you wouldn’t
know it if happened!). Memory is therefore an objective, logically derived, truth/certainty.
Now, where do we go from here, what else is certain and exists in the ‘objective’ world. It is here at this point where I agree with Hobbes with my certainty #4--
4. Fourthly,
Everything Else can ONLY be known to exist through imagination and perceptions; via the ‘subjective’ world, and through the lens of our subjective eyeglasses.
"...we can never escape the fact the objective is as humanly constructed as the subjective world and is only seen through each of our subjective filters." --- Hobbes' Choice
Notes:
A. Don’t confuse the ‘experiencer’ (in item #2 above) with the ‘experience of "I"/self-awareness/identity’. These are not the same. One is an objective, logically derived, 'thing', and the other is a 'subjective' experience. The ‘experiencer’ (in item #2) exists in the OBJECTIVE world (via logically derived), and the “I”/self-identity experience exists only in the SUBJECTIVE world (via the subjective experience of self-awareness/identity).
B. Also, it seems to be logically possible that Experiencer and Memory could actually be one-in-the-same.