Bill Wiltrack wrote:No...No. My post above does not refer to you. My post was directed to the member who attacked you, I, and indirectly all other members here at the PhilosophyNow Forums.
Oh, my apologies.
Bill Wiltrack wrote:No...No. My post above does not refer to you. My post was directed to the member who attacked you, I, and indirectly all other members here at the PhilosophyNow Forums.
Exactly the attitude I was referring to. You are of course entitled to have your opinions on separate persons, and it can feel good to let some steam off. But really, wouldn't be even more rewarding to have a fruitful discussion on the subject matter? Don't you agree that this is a complicated question?bobevenson wrote:Let's see, both of you guys are total pricks, and I guess I'll just let it go at that.
A lot of truth in that, peoples ability to get paid for good deeds are a big driving force for making progress. But if we leave communist countries aside, countries dominated by revisionism/social liberalism has done pretty good too. People are able to make good profits even though you have social welfare. And smart people from humble beginnings have a reasonable chance to get a good start. But there are mechanisms in a more stringent liberalism that could cope with that too, of course.bobevenson wrote:Focusing directly on socialism, free-market capitalism has demonstrated the ability to maximize the standard of living for the greatest number of people without forcing one person to be in the service of another.
Complete Croc of shit.bobevenson wrote:Focusing directly on socialism, free-market capitalism has demonstrated the ability to maximize the standard of living for the greatest number of people without forcing one person to be in the service of another.
I'd love to hear your explanation if you have one.Hobbes' Choice wrote:Complete Croc of shit.bobevenson wrote:Focusing directly on socialism, free-market capitalism has demonstrated the ability to maximize the standard of living for the greatest number of people without forcing one person to be in the service of another.
If a guy wanted to improve his lot in life by converting his old car into a taxi, crony capitalism wouldn't let him do it. He'd need to get an expensive license if it were even available, comply will all kinds of vehicle and insurance requirements, and only charge rates approved by the government. Free-market capitalism has nothing to do with crony capitalism. And I'll tell you another thing, based on the price of a Volvo, most people would love to own one.Ansiktsburk wrote:A lot of truth in that, peoples ability to get paid for good deeds are a big driving force for making progress. But if we leave communist countries aside, countries dominated by revisionism/social liberalism has done pretty good too. People are able to make good profits even though you have social welfare. And smart people from humble beginnings have a reasonable chance to get a good start. But there are mechanisms in a more stringent liberalism that could cope with that too, of course.bobevenson wrote:Focusing directly on socialism, free-market capitalism has demonstrated the ability to maximize the standard of living for the greatest number of people without forcing one person to be in the service of another.
The trick, I suppose, is to make success pay and make as many citizens as possible having the feel that success is in the grasp for them as well. And of course, in a humanitarian civilization you will not have people starving. I think that most people, when they accept that they are mediocre in spite of having opportunities gladly will drive Volvos and leave the Mercedeses for the brilliant minds.
There never has been a fully free market except at exceptional times in history.bobevenson wrote:I'd love to hear your explanation if you have one.Hobbes' Choice wrote:Complete Croc of shit.bobevenson wrote:Focusing directly on socialism, free-market capitalism has demonstrated the ability to maximize the standard of living for the greatest number of people without forcing one person to be in the service of another.
Let me put it this way, Leo, Hong Kong has such a successful economy that China lets it operate autonomously.Obvious Leo wrote:Are you seriously claiming that China is an example of free-market capitalism, Bob???