I am actually open to engaging with other people on this forum. It's only people who are immature that I ignore.the Hessian wrote: So the conversation deadpools. And the whole thread becomes a performance paying homage to its title and the discouraging consequences of misconceiving truth: people unable to engage other people in productive ways.
I think the persistence of people's inability to engage other people in productive ways is a fundamental problem. That's why I'm invested in this conversation.
Well, you didn't look at it hard enough to maybe try and debunk it. Instead, you sent me a link to RationalWiki which heavily biased and immature on such matters as dissident science, and also is heavily loaded with logical fallacies as I have pointed out in my response to that link of yours.the Hessian wrote: Look, I've done the courtesy of reading very carefully everything that has been posted, including reading every word of all of the material that was hyperlinked into the discussion. I've done so with an extremely open mind.
I actually did try to engage in on Aetherometry. It was you who just simply not only sent me a link, and not even try to disprove the points of Aetherometry, but in my response to my critique of RationalWiki's article on it you then continued on with a song about Orgones instead of directly engaging in me.The fact that a group of people can't even productively engage with something as obviously flawed as Orgone Energy or Aetherometry doesn't inspire much hope for people's ability to productively engage with the more pressing and nuanced problems facing us today.
1. What I meant by "starting from scratch" was not merely to reject all existing knowledge; it means to dig deep into said knowledge and to separate what is true and what is false. It means to reject being camped into whatever philosophy or ideology that you're in and examine it as well as to examine yourself.I can understand and sympathize with your feeling "frustrated," "depressed" and "alienated from society."
But to effectively demand that others...
- reject all existing knowledge and "start from scratch"
- discount the utility of their reason in examining assumptions, checking for coherence in definitions and assuring validity of conclusions
- overlook or ignore instances of incoherence between beliefs and actual experiences of the real world
- adopt a paranoid orientation toward anyone who might question what they are doing
...as a pre-requisite of their being worth expending breath on, is breath-takingly delusional.
2. I do not discount any reasoning or examination. It's actually part of starting from scratch.
3. I am not ignoring the incoherence between beliefs and actual experiences; it is actually part of starting from scratch to examine belief and critique it as well as experiences also.
4. No such paranoia here; only examining what's right ad rational and what wrong and irrational or fallacious.
Also, there is no such "demanding others" in this topic. It's just a request and my proposition that we should start from scratch so we can actually see what's going on in this world, instead of being swayed by others and get caught in the crowd momentum.