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simplicity wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 9:00 pm Suffering is completely dependent on the subject, not the object causing the so-called suffering. Therefore, does suffering really exist if it is not universally experienced or is it something made up in the individual's mind?
Suffering is real, it's not something you can just imagine or ignore as if it wasn't happening. The point you seem to gloss over is that suffering is not a man-made conceptual experience, the experience is universal within all sentient life forms, and cannot be ignored or even unmade by man by just not giving it any importance.

Just take a look at this video and make sure you watch all of it...and then tell me if you think suffering is just something we have made-up and that we can just ignore it?

Make sure you watch the whole video, else you will not understand what I'm talking about. . . Duration 14 mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7AA1c22HI


Life is not Disney World..who ever sold you that dream was a con artist.

( Suffering ) defined as the state of undergoing pain, distress, or hardship.

WHY?

Because the universe couldn't give a crap about you that's why...it's one sick bitch.


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Dontaskme wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:40 am We live in a reality where we impose what are our own values upon another person everytime we choose to have a baby.

We live in a reality where ''emotionally broken'' people have children, where the child has to live in the broken world of it's parents, the one's they are dependant upon for their very survival.... And then there are people who just choose not to have children for whatever reason, mostly the reason is because of a keen intelligence and sharp forsight that is able to see through the trap..in a clear and precise way.

In my opinion..anyone who chooses to have a child today is a child abuser...see the daily news for more info as to why it's a bad idea to be having children right now.

Either climate change is going to fry or freeze them to death...or nuclear bombs will irradiate them to death.

Or..the ones affected by ''generational child abuse'' will just go on to make more ''broken people'' adding more fucked up people to the already fucked up world...and the stupidity continues until we finally wake-up and see the trap we set ourselves up for is not going anywhere or achieving anything whatsoever...but it takes a lot of intelligence to see through the trap...unfortunately, not many people have evolved the kind of intelligence that is needed to see through the stupidity.
Who exactly is "we." This is the world that you and those who think like you live in. Do you believe that everybody sees the world as you do? Do you not believe that there are those who can see the good that exists and can find a balance?
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Dontaskme wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 9:52 am It does not take a 'rocket scientist' to work out there is no way to avoid not accepting ''what is''
You certainly don't. You only accept your interpretation of "what is."
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 11:35 am
simplicity wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 5:44 pm Without thinking, how can there be suffering? You need to look into the nature of pain.
Babies and animals don't think their way to pain. You get raped tonight on the way home, the pain you experience then and in the coming weeks is not caused by thinking. It's victim blaming. Again. Yes, thinking can cause pain, but it is not the only source. We have nerves for pain. Creatures that do not think suffer and express pain. We thrive in some environments and suffer in others. Sometimes adding thinking can reduce suffering. Certain kinds of thinking and also denial can minimize suffering. But that doesn't mean that thinking caused the pain. And suffering is a motivation. It is part of why we feel it. To motivate us to eliminate the actual causes, if we can. Unfortunately children and even many adults often do not have the power until later or ever.
Why do you think it is that there are people who have the ability to control their pain? Almost all pain is psychological. And that which is physical can be controlled. Perhaps you should speak with a pain management specialist [or even your family dentist].
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 11:37 am
simplicity wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 9:00 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 7:20 pm Without thinking, there wouldn't be anything neither good nor bad. What is your point? Are you trying to make a case that suffering doesn't exist or isn't real?
No, I am trying to make the point that our thinking makes suffering. For example:

Let's say Elon Musk or Bill Gates has a really bad day in the stock market and lose tens of billions of dollars worth. Nobody would suggest that this would cause somebody a great deal of suffering, but it's kind of relative, right? All suffering is this way. Suffering is completely dependent on the subject, not the object causing the so-called suffering. Therefore, does suffering really exist if it is not universally experienced or is it something made up in the individual's mind?
Oh, jeez.
Let's say is getting raped by a large adult right now. Actually that is happening. Is the kid making a mistake because he or she is not thinking the way you think we should?
The act of rape does not cause the suffering, it is the thinking about the act of rape is what causes the suffering.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 11:40 am
simplicity wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 3:55 am Within everything is contained everything. Some see only the good, others only the bad. And then there are those who see that there is good and bad and try to exist in the middle. The middle is where you want to be...acknowledge good and bad but don't not go either way. Just be ok with all things is the way.
It sounds like you are not judging, things are all ok.
But actually you are judging certain emotions and reactions as not OK. You have blame for them, likely in yourself, but certainly in others. YOu seem to be saying accept everything, but if one looks closer it means accept everything outside of you, but do not accept all your reactions, emotions inside you. And judge others, if implicitly, for what they have inside them.
If you choose to indulge in the intellectual, then of course you are subject to all the things that implies...including judgement And it's not that all things are ok, it's that they just "are," no judgement.
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Dontaskme wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 1:49 pm Because the universe couldn't give a crap about you that's why...it's one sick bitch.
You see things dualistically, good and bad. Therefore, you believe I must see everything as good if I do not agree with your [bad] view of life. This is not the case.

I see that there is an equal amount of good and bad in everything. How could it be any other way [as good makes bad and bad makes good]? It's the same with all things. It's the way all things intellectual work.

If you wish to depart from this, then you can enter the non-intellectual where none of that exists...things just are, neither good nor bad, no up or down, no pain or suffering or happiness...just perception without the editorializing.
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simplicity wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 5:24 pm
You see things dualistically, good and bad. Therefore, you believe I must see everything as good if I do not agree with your [bad] view of life. This is not the case.

I see that there is an equal amount of good and bad in everything. How could it be any other way [as good makes bad and bad makes good]? It's the same with all things. It's the way all things intellectual work.

If you wish to depart from this, then you can enter the non-intellectual where none of that exists...things just are, neither good nor bad, no up or down, no pain or suffering or happiness...just perception without the editorializing.
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simplicity wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 4:44 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 9:52 am It does not take a 'rocket scientist' to work out there is no way to avoid not accepting ''what is''
You certainly don't. You only accept your interpretation of "what is."
Oh ok then, lets just not say any thing at all, and just stay as mute as a dodo. Ok then, whatever weirdo.

Don't forget, your the one who thinks women are like Black Widow Spiders. I'd stop digging that hole else you cannot get back out, actually that wouldn't be a bad idea...keep digging.

Truth is life really does suck, and it's very dumb, and that's why you are complaining about it...ok, have you got that.

There is nothing you can do about life because it is what it is...so quit complaining and then telling people to stay in the happy happy joy joy place, where no one says a word about it. Ok, whatever moron.

Talking primates have a lot to say about the ''WHAT IS'' ..including you ..you complaining whiny whingy little petty ape man.

Actually, I'll change that to girly man. Urgh, so many these days, just sad.
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simplicity wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 4:51 pm Why do you think it is that there are people who have the ability to control their pain? Almost all pain is psychological. And that which is physical can be controlled. Perhaps you should speak with a pain management specialist [or even your family dentist].
What I notice here is you do not respond to any specific points I made. You simply repeat your position and now in a more openly condescending way. I am well aware of pain management techniques

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simplicity wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 4:53 pm
The act of rape does not cause the suffering, it is the thinking about the act of rape is what causes the suffering.
And again all you do is repeat your position.
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simplicity wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 5:15 pm If you choose to indulge in the intellectual, then of course you are subject to all the things that implies...including judgement And it's not that all things are ok, it's that they just "are," no judgement.
But you are judging. I am not sure you are aware of it, but you are. And again you don't respond to specifics. And it has nothing to do with 'indulging in the intellectual' or not. If you'd responded to points made in earlier posts you would realize this.

No one who writes a paragraph like this
Although life as we know it has made spectacular advances in the past century, we must keep in mind that the good and the bad are in lockstep. The freedom that women have sought [and captured] has had some alarming sequellae. Paramount among these unintended consequences has been the utter destruction of the family. Her financial independence and lack of the need for a male partner [except for reproduction (and maybe taking out the trash:)] has created an environment where women appear to see life quite differently than before...that their mate is disposable. Add this to the number of children being brought into the world outside of wedlock and you have a complete social catastrophe.
is ok with everything.
And it's not that all things are ok, it's that they just "are," no judgement.
It's cake and eat it too. You want to judge certain things are not ok, but talk down to those who don't view suffering as you think they should.
If you wish to depart from this, then you can enter the non-intellectual where none of that exists...things just are, neither good nor bad, no up or down, no pain or suffering or happiness...just perception without the editorializing.
such as in the OP.

And hey, if you want to cut down the functions of your brain, for example, suppressing the limbic system due to judgments of that, that's fine. But don't pretend you aren't judging and don't pretend you are ok with things. You're not ok with things or you are terrible communicator.
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Dontaskme wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 5:28 pm No one cares.
Are you speaking for the entirety of humanity or is this just your opinion?
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Dontaskme wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:33 pm Truth is life really does suck, and it's very dumb, and that's why you are complaining about it...ok, have you got that.

There is nothing you can do about life because it is what it is...so quit complaining and then telling people to stay in the happy happy joy joy place, where no one says a word about it. Ok, whatever moron.
Your truth is that your life sucks. You cannot speak for others [and barely for yourself].

Perhaps one of these days you will perceive things differently.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 8:09 pm
simplicity wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 5:15 pm If you choose to indulge in the intellectual, then of course you are subject to all the things that implies...including judgement And it's not that all things are ok, it's that they just "are," no judgement.
But you are judging. I am not sure you are aware of it, but you are. And again you don't respond to specifics. And it has nothing to do with 'indulging in the intellectual' or not. If you'd responded to points made in earlier posts you would realize this.

No one who writes a paragraph like this
Although life as we know it has made spectacular advances in the past century, we must keep in mind that the good and the bad are in lockstep. The freedom that women have sought [and captured] has had some alarming sequellae. Paramount among these unintended consequences has been the utter destruction of the family. Her financial independence and lack of the need for a male partner [except for reproduction (and maybe taking out the trash:)] has created an environment where women appear to see life quite differently than before...that their mate is disposable. Add this to the number of children being brought into the world outside of wedlock and you have a complete social catastrophe.
is ok with everything.
And it's not that all things are ok, it's that they just "are," no judgement.
It's cake and eat it too. You want to judge certain things are not ok, but talk down to those who don't view suffering as you think they should.
If you wish to depart from this, then you can enter the non-intellectual where none of that exists...things just are, neither good nor bad, no up or down, no pain or suffering or happiness...just perception without the editorializing.
such as in the OP.

And hey, if you want to cut down the functions of your brain, for example, suppressing the limbic system due to judgments of that, that's fine. But don't pretend you aren't judging and don't pretend you are ok with things. You're not ok with things or you are terrible communicator.
I am not pretending anything. When using the intellectual, you use all of these things.

Perhaps it is not my communication skills, but instead, your ability to understand.
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