uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 amuwot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:55 pmIt is self-explanatory, and yet you cannot explain it.
But WHY did you JUMP, so quickly, to the PRESUMPTION that I can NOT explain 'it'?
In the 5 years you have been posting as ken or Age, you have failed to explain anything.
REALLY?
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
That is time enough to draw the reasonable conclusion that you don't know your arse from your elbow.
You CAN conclude that the Universe BEGAN and IS EXPANDING, or, that I do NOT know my ass from my elbow. Either way this is of NO CONCERN AT ALL to me.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 am...you STILL BELIEVE and CLAIM that the Universe BEGAN and IS EXPANDING. The two CONTRADICT each other.
That's not what you mean.
LOL This just SHOWS how DISTORTED and TWISTED your currently HELD BELIEFS are making 'you'. How would you KNOW what I MEAN?
That was, and STILL IS, EXACTLY what I MEANT, and STILL MEAN.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 amSo, if you learned how to SEE thee ACTUAL Truth of things, "years ago", then what is thee ACTUAL Truth in regards to thee Universe, Itself; Did the Universe BEGIN and IS EXPANDING, or, is the Universe INFINITE and ETERNAL, or, does the Universe do something else?
Thee ACTUAL Truth of things is that there is red shift recorded in billions of galaxies, blue shift in a small number of local galaxies; the universe has not collapsed due to gravity; there is cosmic microwave background radiation; isotope abundances are consistent with models of nucleosynthesis based on big bang projections; as is the distribution of elements heavier than helium. All of those are facts;
And they ALL PROVE that thee Universe IS INFINITE AND ETERNAL.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
all support the big bang theory and all flatly refute any hypothesis that the universe is infinite and eternal.
LOL You are SO BLINDED by your OWN currently HELD BELIEFS that I LOVE YOU, SO MUCH, for PROVIDING as MUCH PROOF as you are here now.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
All you have managed is to assert that by being truly open and honest, all those facts will somehow become compatible with the one hypothesis they are completely incompatible with.
But what "hypothesis" is that, which you talk of here?
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
You haven't provided a single scrap of evidence that the universe is eternal, nor even a logical argument for why it should be so.
I KNOW.
And as I have been continually saying, I AWAIT for those who are Truly OPEN and Truly CURIOS. In the meanwhile I will use 'you', BELIEVERS, as PROOF for my other CLAIMS. I am in absolutely NO RUSH AT ALL.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 amuwot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:55 pmI look at the evidence and I listen to people who know what they are talking about.
LOL EXACTLY like the religious person does.
As I have noted, the origin of the big bang is still a mystery.
And the origin of God is also STILL a mystery, to 'you', human beings, in the days when this was written. So, AGAIN, 'you', "uwot", are EXACTLY just like the 'religious'.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Life and consciousness too remain mysterious.
LOL ONLY to 'you'.
We have ALREADY DISCOVERED, WORKED OUT, and thus NOW KNOW. So, they like thee Universe, Itself, are NOT mysterious AT ALL, anymore, to 'us'.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Some people look at that and argue that a supernatural explanation is tenable.
Do they?
And who cares?
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
I don't happen to believe any supernatural explanation, but it is the nature of supernatural explanations that I can't rule out any that is compatible with thee ACTUAL Truth of things outlined above.
And I REALLY do NOT care what you do NOT happen to believe, nor even believe, for that matter.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Then there is the type of religious person who insists that thee ACTUAL Truth of things is some sort of 'fake news', possibly created by their supernatural being of choice to test our faith, or by some malevolent supernatural baddie to lead us astray.
And then there are the religious, just like 'you', "uwot", who BELIEVE things, of which they have absolutely NO PROOF AT ALL.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Again, being supernatural explanations, I can't rule out even those, but my preferred hypothesis is that people who hold such opinions are fucking idiots.
AGAIN, who cares what 'your', so called, "preferred hypothesis"? I prefer to just LOOK AT and DISCUSS what is ACTUALLY True. But does ANY one care about this FACT?
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 amWhat 'you', "uwot", are saying, doing and PROVIDING us here now with is a PRIME EXAMPLE of the 'believer'. 'you' are saying EXACTLY like what the 'religious' person SAYS, when they have absolutely NO 'proof' AT ALL for their BELIEFS and CLAIMS, that is; "I look at the evidence and I listen to people who know what they are talking about".
I don't like the word 'believe' precisely because halfwits like you believe belief is a permanent condition:
LOL Here is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of "another one" who STILL is YET to UNDERSTAND the ACTUAL WORDS I have PLACED DIRECTLY in front of them.
I have even INFORMED you EXACTLY HOW and WHY 'belief' is NOT necessarily a 'permanent condition'. BUT because you are SO TWISTED and DISTORTED because of your currently HELD BELIEFS you were NOT able to SEE and UNDERSTAND this FACT.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 amThe power of BELIEFS and their ability to infiltrate the human brain and completely and utterly DISTORT and TWIST the way 'you', adult human beings, are then able to LOOK AT and SEE things is Truly amazing to WATCH and OBSERVE. To WITNESS the BLOCKAGE and PREVENTION of the True and FULL POTENTIAL within 'you' ALL, although is sad is still a process to be in awe of.
You should try saying that in front of a mirror.
OKAY. What do you IMAGINE or ENVISION would happen?
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 amWhat you have also STILL NOT YET worked out is that the, so called, "evidence" is only evidence for A GUESS about what COULD BE or MIGHT BE true, right, and correct, and NOT for what is ACTUALLY True, Right, and Correct. WHEN will you COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND this FACT?
About 30 years ago. That is why I refer to the big bang as a theory or hypothesis. It is the evidence which is ACTUALLY True, Right, and Correct; we know this because it is very thoroughly checked.
So, if the, so called, "big bang" is JUST a THEORY or HYPOTHESIS, AND, the "expanding" Universe is ALSO JUST a HYPOTHESIS, to you, then what EXACTLY is thee ACTUAL Truth of things? You did, after all, say that you "became ready to LEARN HOW to find and SEE thee ACTUAL Truth of things, for, and by, 'yourself", years ago".
Either you STILL have NOT YET learned HOW to FIND and SEE thee ACTUAL Truth of things, or you HAVE.
If you HAVE, then what EXACTLY is thee ACTUAL Truth of things, in regards to thee Universe, Itself?
After all WHAT the Universe ACTUALLY IS, and, HOW the Universe ACTUALLY WORKS is VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to WORK OUT and KNOW, FOR SURE, and thus which can NOT be REFUTED.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 amuwot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:55 pmWhat does your method involve?
Essentially, just being Truly OPEN, which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what 'you', "believers" ARE.
The problem with being "Truly OPEN", as you demonstrate it, is that you allow any old bollocks to settle,
LOL Do 'you', human beings, in those days when this was written, STILL BELIEVE this VERY OLD STORY?
What 'you' STILL do NOT YET REALIZE is that WHILE one is Truly OPEN, then NOTHING can "settle". Which, as can be CLEARLY SEEN is the VERY OPPOSITE of what 'you' BELIEVE here.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
and you forfeit the cognitive filters that prevent you looking like a complete moron.
BUT the MORE 'you', people, in the days when this is being written, LOOK AT and CLASS 'me' as a "MORON", "IDIOT", "INSANE", et cetera, et cetera, THEN the FAR BETTER this is for 'me' and for what I am ACTUALLY ACHIEVING HERE, NOW.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 amTo just be Truly OPEN, one just needs to be Truly Honest, and seriously Wanting to CHANGE.
Remember this?
ken wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2016 5:51 amI had never been a believer in god, nor anything else, nor did I know anything about philosophy. That was until i started on a journey of just wanting to change. In order to change i had to seek out help from others, I had no idea on how to become a better person by myself. But what happened as i was seeking to change was that i found that by just listening, truly listening that is, and by truly answering honestly and fully those meaningful answers of life, which we are all seeking, unwittingly or unknowingly, just start coming to light. I was not looking for answers, i was just seeking out how to change for the better, but by being truly open and honest with others, and with myself, I began to discover how the mind and the brain work, then how to gain full understanding and thus forgiveness, and then who I am, the meaning of life, why we are here, etc., etc. While discovering these I also came across a formula that, to me, shows what will lead us all into living in peace and harmony together.
If change was your goal, then you have achieved that at least, but I can't congratulate you for changing for the worse.
Firstly, THANK YOU SO MUCH for bringing this to LIGHT here now for MORE PEOPLE to LOOK AT and SEE.
Secondly, HOW, EXACTLY, have I SUPPOSEDLY changed, for the worse?
And, if 'you' do NOT provide ANY thing, then 'we' have NOTHING to LOOK AT and DISCUSS.