uwot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:15 amIt is like "einstein" is God, Itself, to you.
When Einstein introduced general relativity he, like you, was convinced that the universe was not expanding.
But unlike that one who was ASSUMING things were true, BEFORE ACTUALLY CLARIFYING FIRST, I am NOT. I have only said that thee Universe is infinite and eternal AFTER this is what was ACTUALLY PROVED True. SEE, I NEVER even thought either way about this BEFORE.
uwot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:18 pm
As Newton had identified, gravity implies that the universe will shrink, so Einstein made up a force that exactly counteracts gravity.
But gravity does NOT imply that the Universe will shrink AT ALL, to me. To ASSUME this is just plain ABSURD, from my perspective. But then some people do ONLY LOOK at some things and NOT AT ALL things.
When one LOOKS AT ALL things, then what is CLEARLY SEEN is 'that'
what IS ACTUALLY PROVEN True. Which is; JUST thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.
uwot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:18 pm
There are anecdotal stories of him calling that force the greatest blunder of his career. Einstein, unlike god, was fallible.
ALL of this REALLY has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with what I have been SAYING and TALKING about.
You are introducing this stuff because you want to continue to BELIEVE what you do, but are completely and utterly incapable of PROVING that it is true.
uwot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:15 amAgain, you are joking here, right? Do you REALLY BELIEVE that just because a human being called "einstein" ASSUMED and said this, then this could be used as ACTUAL PROOF that thee Universe is NOT eternal?
It is not because Einstein eventually said so. It is because of the galactic red shift, the cosmic microwave background radiation, the ratio of hydrogen and helium to heavier elements, the evolution of stars and galaxies, the fact that we are not overwhelmed by little green men from other systems and the fact that the universe didn't shrink to a fraction of it's current size eons ago.
But NONE of these things proves that thee Universe BEGAN and IS EXPANDING.
In fact, there IS blue shift AS WELL AS red shift, which, when LOOKED AT together, PROVES some thing, which is NOT "an expanding Universe'. The cosmic microwave background is just thought to be radiation leftover from some 'thing'. The ratio of hydrogen and helium to heavier elements does NOT PROVE the Universe BEGAN, nor IS EXPANDING. Green men is just ANOTHER DIVERSIONARY TACTIC. And, how do you KNOW the Universe did NOT shrink to a fraction of Its current size, ANY time ago?
If you can tell us how it could even be logically possible for Everything to have came from nothing, then please do.
uwot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:15 amAlso, and by the way, if gravity was going to be used to 'try to' defeat some thing, then it would be used to 'try to' defeat an infinite Universe and NOT an eternal Universe.
Age, your ignorance is showing again. Gravity does not prove the universe is not infinite.
And gravity does NOT prove the Universe is NOT eternal ALSO.
You appear to be VERY CONFUSED here.
uwot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:18 pm
You could make a case that it implies a finite universe, but few people who know what they are talking about would nail their colours to any infinity post anyway.
YOUR, so called, "people who know what they are talking about", are also the EXACT SAME people who have to ADMIT that they do NOT have the ACTUAL PROOF for their, and your, CLAIMS here. But you are FREE to BELIEVE whatever you want to BELIEVE.
uwot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:15 amLook, WHY the Universe does NOT contract because of gravity can be very easily explained and very easily understood, WITHOUT having to go into the ridiculous ASSUMPTIONS about God, nor an expanding Universe either.
You saying how easily things can be proven and then failing utterly to prove them is a bit of a feature.
This is be BECAUSE, as I have ALREADY EXPLAINED and PROVED True, people like 'you', "uwot", are NOT capable of learning ANY thing that OPPOSES what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true.
You BELIEVE wholeheartedly that the Universe BEGAN and IS EXPANDING. So, the ONLY thing that could be "proven" to you is the Universe BEGAN and IS EXPANDING. But because there is NO ACTUAL PROOF that exists, this is WHY the Universe BEGAN and IS EXPANDING is ONLY an ASSUMPTION, THEORY, HYPOTHESIS, or in other words just a plain old fashioned GUESS.
uwot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:15 amFurthermore, let us NOT forget that 'you', human beings, also had to invent things up to continue with that age old BELIEF that 'in the beginning' the Universe was created. The issue here, however, is that NOT one of 'you' has ANY ACTUAL PROOF for this.
Indeed Age; there is no evidence for a creator.
YET, here you are SAYING and CLAIMING that the Universe BEGAN, either from NOTHING or from A Creator. Of which BOTH are EQUALLY ABSOLUTELY ABSURD, to me.
AND, the VERY REASON WHY you have absolutely NO PROOF for YOUR CLAIM here is because of just HOW ABSURD that CLAIM REALLY IS.
uwot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:15 amAND, contrary to your BELIF "uwot", gravity is CERTAINLY NOT PROOF that the Universe cannot be eternal.
As I say, gravity, itself, WILL help in PROVING to 'you', human beings, just how thee Universe, Itself, is ACTUALLY infinite AND eternal.
Oh no it won't.
LOL Let us WAIT and SEE, BEFORE you are SO SURE of "yourself".
ONCE AGAIN, I suggest you GAIN ACTUAL CLARIFICATION, BEFORE you MAKE ANY ASSUMPTION. That way you will NEVER be as Wrong, as OFTEN as you ARE.