PH insist Morality is not Objective because there are no objective moral facts.Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:49 pmWtf? Nothing exists unless there are humans?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:34 am The point is whatever is reality including real humans, they cannot exist without the human factor.
It cannot be an human-independent-fact without the human factor.
Do you think that quantum events didn't exist before humans observed and described them, and that they wouldn't exist if humans didn't observe and describe them?
A straight yes or no answer will suffice. Cards on the table.
But what PH claimed as objective facts is groundless and meaningless, i.e. his so-called facts are illusory and do not exist as real in the highest realistic sense.
According to PH's facts, the moon exists even if there are no human factors in relation to it [superficially look at the moon]. The following is PH non-quantum realism, i.e.
- Under what you would call a non-quantum mechanical definition of real, known as local realism, real is defined as when an object, like a car, has definite properties independent of observation or measurement. Meaning the universe exists external to our minds.
https://medium.com/predict/nobel-prize- ... cde7685600#:~
- Nobel Prize Winning Scientists’ Findings show the Universe isn’t ‘Real’.
Ibid
"But under quantum mechanics, local realism gets a little dicey. And three theoretical physicists, John Clauser, Anton Zeilinger and Alain Aspect, were recently jointly awarded the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics for a 1972 experiment, and many subsequent experiments, showing that the local realism view of the universe is likely to be false."
- Okay, let us explain.
The scientists’ findings show that the universe cannot be locally real, as particles lack definite spin-up or spin-down properties (quantum state) prior to their observation or measurement. Therefore, the simple act of observing a particle changes its state, contradicting the rules of local realism.
In other words,
the universe is “real,” but only when you’re looking at it.
Ibid
The point is QM realism as above is not some kind of fantasy, but it is translated to high intensity utilities for humanity.
Another article [out of the hundreds] supporting the above;
- The quantum experiment that could prove reality doesn't exist
We like to think that things are there even when we aren't looking at them. But that belief might soon be overturned thanks to a new test designed to tell us if quantum weirdness persists in macroscopic objects
Link
See this post from the later pages:
viewtopic.php?p=625541#p625541
Here at 54:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISdBAf-ysI0
Professor Jim Al-Khalili stated,
"In some strange sense, it really does suggest the moon doesn't exists when we are not looking. It truly defies common sense."
For a simplified understanding of QM,
The SIMPLEST Explanation of QUANTUM MECHANICS in the Universe!
which also explain how QM is applied to the micro as well as the macro world.
Here is an important point with QM;
"Quantum entities have a character of spread-out ness. For example an electron in an atom occupies a fuzzy cloud of existence. It is possibly everywhere within that cloud at the same time. However when you ask the question (by experiment) where is the electron you will find it (obviously) in only one place. So how does the electron transition from being at many places at the same time to being at precisely one location. The means by which this happens is know as the “collapse of the wave function” (or in layman’s terms the collapse of the fuzzy cloud!) . So you think - it’s an atom sized cloud which collapses that’s hardly a big deal.
However, in the case of a free electron (an electron outside an atom) this cloud could be the size of the visible universe and our current theory says that this cloud of potential existence can collapse to a single point instantly."
-Pat Devil in Quora