The morally-proper Self-driving-car-Proper that does proper-things-properly

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The morally-proper Self-driving-car-Proper that does proper-things-properly

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Consider the case of the Teleological-Proper self-driving car obediently follows its robotic ethics programming and thus is a practitioner of morality-proper [as defined by Completely Credible FSK [CCFSK]]. The rules are to obey the owner's commands unless the owner is medically incapacitated under which circumstance it should drive to the hospital. Plus those robot rules from that sci-fi book that this author can't remember the name of. Something about not harming humans though.

As defined by incredibly Completely Credible FSK [iCCFSK], this makes it automobile-morality-proper for this car to obey these rules for the same reason that it is human-morality-proper to obey the commands somehow inserted into DNA by evolution-proper which (unlike silly old naive folk-evolution) is a top down command driven process with an end goal, just like the programming of our robo-car.

It goes without saying that if Darwin had understood modern DNA technology, then he would have dropped all that accidental natural selection stuff and usertood his theory to be directed at uncovering how fate designed morality-proper using teleology-proper [in the same manner that Hume would now understand that moving from ought to is involves nothing but sensible copulation of similar types of proposition [as defined in Completely Credible FSK [CCFSK]]

  • So that explains why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper agrees with its new owner when he asks it to take him to the street where all the crack whores hang out.
  • And why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper opens the door so the prostitute can lick his owner's ball bag [as conditioned by the ball handling FSK]
  • And why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper awaits further instruction while the owner strangles the prostitute.
  • And why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper drives to the nearest lake when ordered so to do.
  • And finally why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper follows a last instruction-proper to drive itself along with the corpse of the murdered prostitute-proper into the lake-proper [as conditioned and required by the Completely Credible Automobile-proper-morality-proper FSK [CCA-p-m-p-FSK]]
As you can clearly see [proper] - everything this robo-car-proper conforms to the [credible FSK] of automobile-morality-proper. To do otherwise than to follow the programming of the intelligent agent that designed the rules to be found in the Designated Normative Architecture [DNA] of said automobile is evil [as defined by the morality-proper FSK].

So had the car called the cops, that would have violated the moral facts of the matter [as defined by Completely Credible FSK [CCFSK]] which would make the car truly evil.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:28 pm Consider the case of the Teleological-Proper self-driving car obediently follows its robotic ethics programming and thus is a practitioner of morality-proper [as defined by Completely Credible FSK [CCFSK]]. The rules are to obey the owner's commands unless the owner is medically incapacitated under which circumstance it should drive to the hospital. Plus those robot rules from that sci-fi book that this author can't remember the name of. Something about not harming humans though.

As defined by incredibly Completely Credible FSK [iCCFSK], this makes it automobile-morality-proper for this car to obey these rules for the same reason that it is human-morality-proper to obey the commands somehow inserted into DNA by evolution-proper which (unlike silly old naive folk-evolution) is a top down command driven process with an end goal, just like the programming of our robo-car.

It goes without saying that if Darwin had understood modern DNA technology, then he would have dropped all that accidental natural selection stuff and usertood his theory to be directed at uncovering how fate designed morality-proper using teleology-proper [in the same manner that Hume would now understand that moving from ought to is involves nothing but sensible copulation of similar types of proposition [as defined in Completely Credible FSK [CCFSK]]

  • So that explains why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper agrees with its new owner when he asks it to take him to the street where all the crack whores hang out.
  • And why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper opens the door so the prostitute can lick his owner's ball bag [as conditioned by the ball handling FSK]
  • And why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper awaits further instruction while the owner strangles the prostitute.
  • And why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper drives to the nearest lake when ordered so to do.
  • And finally why the [properly-obedient] robo-car-proper follows a last instruction-proper to drive itself along with the corpse of the murdered prostitute-proper into the lake-proper [as conditioned and required by the Completely Credible Automobile-proper-morality-proper FSK [CCA-p-m-p-FSK]]
As you can clearly see [proper] - everything this robo-car-proper conforms to the [credible FSK] of automobile-morality-proper. To do otherwise than to follow the programming of the intelligent agent that designed the rules to be found in the Designated Normative Architecture [DNA] of said automobile is evil [as defined by the morality-proper FSK].

So had the car called the cops, that would have violated the moral facts of the matter [as defined by Completely Credible FSK [CCFSK]] which would make the car truly evil.
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Would you trust a driver named "flashdangerpants" in a self-driving car?
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Seriously mate, if you have a serious philosphical question to post, try to state it in serious, objective terminology. God knows, there are enough dipsticks, fruitloops and yoyo's on the forum.
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alan1000 wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:42 pm Seriously mate, if you have a serious philosphical question to post, try to state it in serious, objective terminology. God knows, there are enough dipsticks, fruitloops and yoyo's on the forum.
Are you familiar with VA's FSK stuff, his "morality-proper" or any of the other things I am clearly satirising in this thread?

No, you are an obnoxious oblivious self-important wanker with no sense of humour. So eat shit, fuck off, and die.
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alan1000 wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:42 pm Seriously mate, if you have a serious philosphical question to post, try to state it in serious, objective terminology. God knows, there are enough dipsticks, fruitloops and yoyo's on the forum.
Here's an example, from elsewhere, of some serious philosophical thinking, using serious, objective terminology:

'The first requirement is to free ourselves from the web of obfuscation woven by dattaswami and suchlike worldly distractions. Then, through meditation, free from the web of deception and confusion woven by dattaswami and his like, we contemplate God in infinity. In this state, enlightenment will be granted.'

Pay attention, fellow dipsticks, fruitloops and yoyos. A my-team's-god-is-real huckster is here to sort us out.
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Robot laws that FDP couldn't quite remember in the OP....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:28 pm As you can clearly see [proper] - everything this robo-car-proper conforms to the [credible FSK] of automobile-morality-proper. To do otherwise than to follow the programming of the intelligent agent that designed the rules to be found in the Designated Normative Architecture [DNA] of said automobile is evil [as defined by the morality-proper FSK].
And, of course, a criminal robot car, that specifically was programmed by the criminals to help them assassinate, rob, evade capture, cast police cars off the road and so on would be working from that car's FSK.

Or, if used in a future scenario, when the earth is colonizing inhabited other worlds, the eradication all terrain vehicle robot would have an FSK very similar to what colonizers had when Europeans entered Africa and the Americas.
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if it weren't for dipsticks, Rosco would be at a loss of words for his deputy...

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I'm, for better/worse, not 5 years old, but I sure do feel like one!
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Iwannaplato wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:20 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:28 pm As you can clearly see [proper] - everything this robo-car-proper conforms to the [credible FSK] of automobile-morality-proper. To do otherwise than to follow the programming of the intelligent agent that designed the rules to be found in the Designated Normative Architecture [DNA] of said automobile is evil [as defined by the morality-proper FSK].
And, of course, a criminal robot car, that specifically was programmed by the criminals to help them assassinate, rob, evade capture, cast police cars off the road and so on would be working from that car's FSK.

Or, if used in a future scenario, when the earth is colonizing inhabited other worlds, the eradication all terrain vehicle robot would have an FSK very similar to what colonizers had when Europeans entered Africa and the Americas.
This is correct, as any fule no, morality-proper is entirely about obedience to programming and has no means to discuss the "good" or "bad" aspects of that design because morality-proper doesn't use concepts of goodness and badness, it's too sphisticated and PhD level for that kindergarten stuff.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:26 am This is correct, as any fule no, morality-proper is entirely about obedience to programming and has no means to discuss the "good" or "bad" aspects of that design because morality-proper doesn't use concepts of goodness and badness, it's too sphisticated and PhD level for that kindergarten stuff.
Yesterday I watched a debate between a coyote and a hare. Each of them referred to their own FSK based morality. The coyotes considered it de rigeur that they get to eat hares, since if you look in coyote brains, especially down to the quark level, it's clear that there is an oughtness-to-eat hares thingie giving them authority.

Oddly the hares disagreed and had this oughtnotness that had every shaking their furry heads.

The coyotes were not interested in having their mirror neurons trained to include hares. I found myself baffled by the intransigence of both species.

I stood up and spoke about homo sapian FSK based morality and for reason everyone else ran or jumped out of the room.

Must be a part of PH's gang.
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