PH's Morality: ALL of You Will be Killed Potentially.

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Veritas Aequitas
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PH's Morality: ALL of You Will be Killed Potentially.

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Here is a discussion with Peter Holmes leading to the above OP and my point below;
"On the other hand, you are expecting all individuals to be sitting ducks to be killed by evil prone killers as in the past, now and into the future."
Peter Holmes wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:38 pm Claptrap. Scientific and technological progress comes from the refusal to accept the intersubjective consensus - the current orthodoxy. It comes from observing reality as it really is - not as it's supposed to be.

Consensus theories of truth and knowledge are patently ridiculous and easily refuted - as is moral cognitivism.
You are trapping your own claps due to ignorance.

Strawman again;
I did not emphasize this "Consensus theories of truth and knowledge" plainly or whatever is supposed to be without empirical verification and justification.

In Science,
1. there must be the scientific FSK in place.
2. A hypothesis is raised.
3. Empirical observations and evidence are collected based on the standard scientific methods.
4. If the evidence correspond with the hypothesis, the thesis is then considered verified and justified.
5. Then the thesis is subjected to peer review, an only accepted as an objective scientific theory /knowledge /truth upon sufficient consensus from the recognized peers.

Of course, consensus alone will not qualify a thesis as an objective scientific theory or knowledge.

What I claimed as objective moral facts must first be verified and justified within the scientific FSK via process 1-5 above, then conditioned upon the specific Moral FSK to be recognized as an objective moral fact.

Note it is not all talks but whatever is recognized as an objective moral fact must be able to translate to moral utilities.
The objective moral fact, the ought-not-ness-to-kill-humans is a standard to guide individuals not to kill humans and to achieve the theoretical possible ZERO killings of humans by humans in the future.
In practice it may not be possible to achieve ZERO but such a factual standard will guide individuals to continually improve toward and be as close as possible to the target.

On the other hand, you are expecting all individuals to be sitting ducks to be killed by evil prone killers as in the past, now and into the future.
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Re: PH's Morality: ALL of You Will be Killed Potentially.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:34 am On the other hand, you are expecting all individuals to be sitting ducks to be killed by evil prone killers as in the past, now and into the future.
Well, no.
Nothing PH has said precludes the possibility of trying to reduce murders/killing.
He would just not argue that this is an objectively moral goal.
Here in philosophy forum one can mull over the ontology of morals.
Out there in the world one can of course try to move society and people in the direction one wants, including towards minimizing killing.
And further PH could even be confident this will happen. He could follow Pinker's belief that civilization is less violent than pre-civ, and that other changes will lead to less violence.
So, nothing about PH's position precludes his not wanting killing, being optimistic about there being less killing AND even his personal contributions to bringing this about. Nor does it preclude is even convincing people to kill less or process X will help us reduce killing. Those are all IS issues and processes and states.

But in a way this thread with it's hysterical conclusion above and it's hysterical title...
PH's Morality: ALL of You Will be Killed Potentially.
...shows the stakes. VA (thinks he) is arguing against evil, with Christian fervor.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:34 am On the other hand, you are expecting all individuals to be sitting ducks to be killed by evil prone killers as in the past, now and into the future.
PH's Morality: ALL of You Will be Killed Potentially.
On the subject of moral facts: is there a moral fact about the

oughtness-of-not-talking-overwrought-trash about other people potential

in human brains. How can we enhance that in VA?
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