Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:53 am
Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:18 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:26 am
- P1 Human Nature is an objective fact
P2 Morality is part of human nature
C1 Morality is an objective fact
Nope. Even if there is such a thing as human nature which sets it apart from, say, dog nature and cockroach nature - and even if it's human nature to behave in certain ways - that wouldn't make it morally right to behave in those ways, and morally wrong not to. Moral judgements are of a separate and different kind from factual considerations.
Facts about humans and their well-being don't and can't entail moral conclusions. Full stop.
Strawman again!
I have stated a "million times" my version of morality is not leveraged on 'rightness' or 'wrongness' of human acts.
AND, what IS 'rightness' and/or 'wrongness' of 'human behavior' leveraged upon if NOT 'personal views or opinions'?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:53 am
It is very evident and generally accepted as Sculptor stated;
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There is no doubt that our moral nature is an important part of our success as a species; "
There is also NO doubt that the downfall of the human being is because of the so-called 'human immoral nature', or the 'Wrong behavior' of the human being.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:53 am
As such the moral nature is inherent within human nature.
And what about ALL of the IMMORAL 'things' that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, DO?
Where IS this so-called 'immoral nature'? If it is NOT inherent within 'you', human beings, then WHERE is 'it' EXACTLY?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:53 am
You don't agree with this obvious human nature?
Do you NOT agree with the VERY OBVIOUS so-called 'immoral nature' of 'you', adult human beings.
After all it is ONLY 'adult human beings, who are IMMORAL in 'this world'.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:53 am
As stated in the OP:
Human nature is represented by the physical human body, brain, organs, cells, DNA and their functions [programs] and workings.
Adult human beings DO 'immoral things'. Therefore, if we go by your so-called "logic" here, then BEING IMMORAL IS 'human nature'.
The AMOUNT OF WAYS that 'you' 'TRY TO' argue FOR what 'you' ALREADY BELIEVE is Truly REMARKABLE to WATCH, and OBSERVE.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:53 am
Therefore the generally accepted
moral nature of all humans must be represented by physical human body, brain, organs, cells, DNA and their functions and workings which are matter of facts.
Therefore whatever is moral must be factual.
If it was NOT for the Fact that this one does NOT YET even KNOW how DECEPTIVE 'it' is being here, the amount of DECEPTION that this one is expressing here would BE IMMORAL.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:53 am
Since morality is about avoiding evil to promote good,
Is 'this' an ACTUAL, objective, Fact, or just ANOTHER one of "veritas aequitas's" OWN, subjective, views or opinions here?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:53 am
then improving the inherent moral program effective will lead to lesser evil, i.e. increasing morality index.
There is no need to cling to 'rightness' or 'wrongness'.
Analogy, if your room temperature is lower than the degree set in the thermostat, that does not result in wrongness.
All the air-conditioner need to do is to work its mechanisms and process to achieve the targeted temperature.
If it cannot achieve the target due to damage, then repairs are necessary.
The same analogy applies to the moral faculty within human nature.
The physical elements, programs and processes within the moral faculty or potential are the objective moral facts -there is no question of 'rightness' nor 'wrongness'.
BUT, there ARE QUESTIONS of 'rightness' AND 'wrongness'.
For example, is it 'Right' OR 'Wrong' to FOLLOW "islam"?
SURELY 'you', "veritas aequitas", could INFORM ALL of 'us' here the 'rightness' AND 'wrongness' here, now, right?