Uhuh. Weight is not an object either, but we consider it objectively real.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:33 pmYou do not experience gravity as bent space but its effect which is weight.
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I just stated that what we call objectively real is not necessarily what is but what is apparent, in fitting with apparent reality and as opposed to ultimate reality. In the absence of a biological subject, there is nothing objects, weight, or women----lol!!Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:39 pmUhuh. Weight is not an object either, but we consider it objectively real.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:33 pmYou do not experience gravity as bent space but its effect which is weight.
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Whatever. I am merely pointing out that objectivity is not (only) about objects.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:43 pmI just stated that what we call objectively real is not necessarily what is but what is apparent, in fitting with apparent reality and as opposed to ultimate reality.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:39 pmUhuh. Weight is not an object either, but we consider it objectively real.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:33 pm
You do not experience gravity as bent space but its effect which is weight.
There are things which are NOT objects (physical forces!) which are objective.
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Yes, I see, so, what is objective is what we experience, which makes it all biologically dependent. In the same sense as all meaning is biologically dependent. You are right, I take your point.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:46 pmWhatever. I am merely pointing out that objectivity is not (only) about objects.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:43 pmI just stated that what we call objectively real is not necessarily what is but what is apparent, in fitting with apparent reality and as opposed to ultimate reality.
There are things which are NOT objects (physical forces!) which are objective.
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I don't know if that's true. Maybe the panpsychists are right and biology is coincidental, not incidental.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:53 pm Yes, I see, so, what is objective is what we experience, which makes it all biologically dependent.
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I don't know if that's true. Maybe the panpsychists are right and biology is coincidental, not incidental.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:53 pm Yes, I see, so, what is objective is what we experience, which makes it all biologically dependent.
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Please expand upon your statement. I do not understand the statement. By the way you have a double post.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:00 pmI don't know if that's true. Maybe the panpsychists are right and biology is coincidental, not incidental.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:53 pm Yes, I see, so, what is objective is what we experience, which makes it all biologically dependent.
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What requires expanding?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:19 pm Please expand upon your statement. I do not understand the statement. By the way you have a double post.
Panpsychism proclaims that "mind" is a fundamental property of reality. Everything, everywhere is an experiencing subject and not just biological organisms.
If panpsychism is, in fact, true then the subject-object distinction becomes meaningless. Your experiences may not be all that different from the experiences of a rock; or an atomic particle. Biology is not a factor.
Of course, nobody has a clue how to confirm; or disconfirm it.
The subject/object distinction has social/conversational utility, but it's by no mean representative of reality. After all the subject is itself an object, no? When I am experiencing myself am I subject; or object; or both; or neither? When I die do I stop being a subject and become an object? These questions doesn't matter! We use those words for conversational clarity - they don't bestow any ontological status.
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Yes, subject and object are indivisible, but panpsychism claims that an object is a consciousness on the same level as a biological subject? It is a bit like poetic license I guess, the imagination with wings. That you experience yourself as neither subject or object I very much doubt, or you've tapped into something I would very much like to hear more of.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:23 pmWhat requires expanding?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:19 pm Please expand upon your statement. I do not understand the statement. By the way you have a double post.
Panpsychism proclaims that "mind" is a fundamental property of reality. Everything, everywhere is an experiencing subject and not just biological organisms.
If panpsychism is, in fact, true then the subject-object distinction becomes meaningless. Your experiences may not be all that different from the experiences of a rock; or an atomic particle. Biology is not a factor.
Of course, nobody has a clue how to confirm or disconfirm it.
The subject/object distinction has social/conversational utility, but it's by no mean representative of reality. After all the subject is itself an object, no? When I am experiencing myself am I subject; or object; or both; or neither? When I die do I stop being a subject and become an object? These questions doesn't matter! We use those words for conversational clarity - they don't bestow any ontological status.