Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 7:07 amWhat you are presenting is consequentialism which is not morality-proper.CHNOPS wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 1:57 amI dont speak english, maybe the right world is Evil yes.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed May 18, 2022 4:35 am Morality is fundamentally about Good and Evil [bad is too limited].
Morality ultimately is more about actions than about knowledge.
In the context of Morality 'what is good' is 'what is not-evil'.
Evil is related to human acts that are net-negative to the well being of the individual[s] and therefrom to humanity and thus is a threat to the preservation of the human species.
You can expand that notion of Good and Evil. Dont think too much like a living beeing....
If you dont expand that notion, then you have the humandking like is right now......
where people have differences about what is "well being".
If i say to you that hiting my wife make our family more "well being" because she do all the homeworks inmediatly, what do you say? Why this is not Good?
I'm a programmer, so, i understand everything in terms of 1 or 0.
You need to reach to that, in order to really understand what Good and Evil is.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consequentialism/
Morality-proper is about being free, acting voluntarily and spontaneously.
In your above case, hitting your wife itself first has an impact on the well-being of your wife. As such you have not done the right thing morally due to your moral incompetence.
In morality proper, you will personally need to develop your moral competence to the level where you will naturally and spontaneously NEVER hit your wife or anyone.
If the family well being is threatened with your wife's inefficiencies, then you have to find ways to help her to improve her efficiency.
If it is her nature that is the best she can do, then you have to accept her for what she is. At the worst it is divorce and find a wife who can meet your expectations.
The problem at present is the majority of people are not morally competent and it will take [if we start now] 50, 100, 150 or more years before the average person is morally competent.
So in the meantime we have to bear with the present state or let the laws or God to deter evil acts.
My point is we need to understand what is morality-proper so that we can drive the morality engine [program] to achieve its intended purpose efficiently.
From the programming perspective, we have not defined the proper objective of what is morality, as such the programming will be a mess and leads no where.
We do A to reach B. Always.
When you say i have to accept my wife or leave her alone, you are saying that with a goal, a consecuense. The well being of my wife.
But I say that hiting her is for her well being too.
There, you can say "no, cience know a lot of the human body and know that hiting a person is not going to get more well being".
And that is rigth.
But then, i say, ok, i will not hit her, but i will not allow her to read anything so she cant learn anything knew.
¿Is knowledge Good or Evil?
Maybe there are studies of that, but supose to not.
Why learning is Good?
You can say "because is you learn how the bears lives, you can survive in the forest, for example".
You can always have an answer based on the surviving.
But why is that? what is surviving?
We want to be eternal....
We want to be God....
God is the goal of ours actions.
And that is more abstract that seeing the moral as humans beings surviving.
Before we are humans, we are molecules, atoms, interacting, trying to unifiy again....
When you understand this, is all simple, u just need to understand that God is, and then you can understand why something is Good or Evil.
For example, Why a symetric face is prettier?
Hmmmm.....
God is unity, order, so a symetric is the most close we can have to unity or complete order.
If God is the sum of all colors, is white, then White is better than Black.
Try to understand without making a prejuice, and ask whatever you want.