Moral realism is true

Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?

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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 1:11 am
bahman wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 6:15 pm
henry quirk wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 6:03 pm

cuz it is
It is not.
Is so.
Let's discuss this further in another thread since it is off-topic.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 4:34 am
bahman wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 6:01 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 4:59 am
What??

That some one like or dislike something X is a fact if there are evidences of their expressing it, but the basis of their likes or dislikes are subjective to oneself, thus opinion or at best personal conviction.
It is a fact.
Such one liner is nonsensical which reflect badly on your intellectual competence and integrity.
Are you capable of more rational counters?
Is there any reason why people like certain things and dislike others?
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bahman wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 3:42 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 4:34 am
bahman wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 6:01 pm
It is a fact.
Such one liner is nonsensical which reflect badly on your intellectual competence and integrity.
Are you capable of more rational counters?
Is there any reason why people like certain things and dislike others?
All humans are programmed with taste of sweetness, that is a biological fact specific to the biological/scientific framework.

Some people may dislike sweetness for unknown reasons and they just don't like sweetness without being able to explain their dislike.
As such this is a personal subjective matter and cannot be a credible fact as generally accepted.

Btw, in another perspective, I had defined a fact as any emergence that is conditioned upon a framework. Thus there can be divine moral facts but such facts are not credible or the lowest credibility possible. This is a different issue in the context of this OP.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:01 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 3:42 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 4:34 am
Such one liner is nonsensical which reflect badly on your intellectual competence and integrity.
Are you capable of more rational counters?
Is there any reason why people like certain things and dislike others?
All humans are programmed with taste of sweetness, that is a biological fact specific to the biological/scientific framework.

Some people may dislike sweetness for unknown reasons and they just don't like sweetness without being able to explain their dislike.
As such this is a personal subjective matter and cannot be a credible fact as generally accepted.

Btw, in another perspective, I had defined a fact as any emergence that is conditioned upon a framework. Thus there can be divine moral facts but such facts are not credible or the lowest credibility possible. This is a different issue in the context of this OP.
Aha, all humans are programmed. Like or dislike is also a part of the program.
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bahman wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:02 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:01 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 3:42 pm
Is there any reason why people like certain things and dislike others?
All humans are programmed with taste of sweetness, that is a biological fact specific to the biological/scientific framework.

Some people may dislike sweetness for unknown reasons and they just don't like sweetness without being able to explain their dislike.
As such this is a personal subjective matter and cannot be a credible fact as generally accepted.

Btw, in another perspective, I had defined a fact as any emergence that is conditioned upon a framework. Thus there can be divine moral facts but such facts are not credible or the lowest credibility possible. This is a different issue in the context of this OP.
Aha, all humans are programmed. Like or dislike is also a part of the program.
Do you understand the difference between pre-existing DNA codes and subsequent RNA replications?
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bahman wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:02 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:01 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 3:42 pm
Is there any reason why people like certain things and dislike others?
All humans are programmed with taste of sweetness, that is a biological fact specific to the biological/scientific framework.

Some people may dislike sweetness for unknown reasons and they just don't like sweetness without being able to explain their dislike.
As such this is a personal subjective matter and cannot be a credible fact as generally accepted.

Btw, in another perspective, I had defined a fact as any emergence that is conditioned upon a framework. Thus there can be divine moral facts but such facts are not credible or the lowest credibility possible. This is a different issue in the context of this OP.
Aha, all humans are programmed. Like or dislike is also a part of the program.
And humans are also programmed with sourness and bitterness....
So, which is moral bitterness or sweetness?
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bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:34 pm Our life is not indifferent since there are likes and dislikes. The moral facts are related to likes and dislikes. Therefore, moral facts exist. Therefore, moral realism is true.
Our life is not indifferent since there are likes and dislikes. The moral reactions are related to likes and dislikes. Therefore, moral opinions exist. Therefore, moral relativism is true.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 5:41 am
bahman wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:02 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:01 am
All humans are programmed with taste of sweetness, that is a biological fact specific to the biological/scientific framework.

Some people may dislike sweetness for unknown reasons and they just don't like sweetness without being able to explain their dislike.
As such this is a personal subjective matter and cannot be a credible fact as generally accepted.

Btw, in another perspective, I had defined a fact as any emergence that is conditioned upon a framework. Thus there can be divine moral facts but such facts are not credible or the lowest credibility possible. This is a different issue in the context of this OP.
Aha, all humans are programmed. Like or dislike is also a part of the program.
Do you understand the difference between pre-existing DNA codes and subsequent RNA replications?
RNA is single-stranded.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 12:55 pm
bahman wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:02 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 6:01 am
All humans are programmed with taste of sweetness, that is a biological fact specific to the biological/scientific framework.

Some people may dislike sweetness for unknown reasons and they just don't like sweetness without being able to explain their dislike.
As such this is a personal subjective matter and cannot be a credible fact as generally accepted.

Btw, in another perspective, I had defined a fact as any emergence that is conditioned upon a framework. Thus there can be divine moral facts but such facts are not credible or the lowest credibility possible. This is a different issue in the context of this OP.
Aha, all humans are programmed. Like or dislike is also a part of the program.
And humans are also programmed with sourness and bitterness....
So, which is moral bitterness or sweetness?
You have the right to take the one you please and no one has the right to force you to take the opposite.
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Sculptor wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 1:17 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:34 pm Our life is not indifferent since there are likes and dislikes. The moral facts are related to likes and dislikes. Therefore, moral facts exist. Therefore, moral realism is true.
Our life is not indifferent since there are likes and dislikes. The moral reactions are related to likes and dislikes. Therefore, moral opinions exist. Therefore, moral relativism is true.
Like or dislike is not opinion.
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bahman wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 3:42 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 1:17 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:34 pm Our life is not indifferent since there are likes and dislikes. The moral facts are related to likes and dislikes. Therefore, moral facts exist. Therefore, moral realism is true.
Our life is not indifferent since there are likes and dislikes. The moral reactions are related to likes and dislikes. Therefore, moral opinions exist. Therefore, moral relativism is true.
Like or dislike is not opinion.
OFFS!!
Like or dislike is not a fact, they are emotional values, values are opinions.
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Sculptor wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 6:41 pm
bahman wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 3:42 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 1:17 pm

Our life is not indifferent since there are likes and dislikes. The moral reactions are related to likes and dislikes. Therefore, moral opinions exist. Therefore, moral relativism is true.
Like or dislike is not opinion.
OFFS!!
Like or dislike is not a fact, they are emotional values, values are opinions.
Values are facts that of course depend on the person.
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bahman wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 9:26 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 6:41 pm
bahman wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 3:42 pm
Like or dislike is not opinion.
OFFS!!
Like or dislike is not a fact, they are emotional values, values are opinions.
Values are facts that of course depend on the person.
This does not help you case.
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Sculptor wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 9:38 pm
bahman wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 9:26 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 6:41 pm

OFFS!!
Like or dislike is not a fact, they are emotional values, values are opinions.
Values are facts that of course depend on the person.
This does not help you case.
It does. Forcing people to do or accept what they don't like is wrong.
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bahman wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 9:54 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 9:38 pm
bahman wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 9:26 pm
Values are facts that of course depend on the person.
This does not help you case.
It does. Forcing people to do or accept what they don't like is wrong.
AND WHAT THEY DO AND DO NOT LIKE IS SUBJECTIVE
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