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Re: The rule of thumb

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Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:10 pm The rule of thumb: You have all rights when it comes to you
Do you BELIEVE you have ALL 'rights' to do what you want to do?

If no, then how does this align with "you have ALL rights when it comes to you"?
Yes, I have the all right when it comes to my life.
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:10 pm but you have no right to decide about others.
So, if you want to breed children do you REALLY believe or accept that you have absolutely NO 'rights' when deciding about them?

If yes, then how does this all work together?
I am talking about people who are alive.
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:10 pm All interpersonal conflicts are due to not respecting the rule of thumb.
Most interpersonal conflicts are just due to NOT understanding one another properly and correctly.

YOUR 'rule of thumb' here does NOT work, well to me anyway.

What about if you decide when it comes to you that you can abuse "others" and pollute their home. Is it really the case that absolutely NO one has a 'right' to decide about 'you'?
I am not allowed to abuse others. I respect this rule therefore the problem is resolved.
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So, how exactly do you make your way to an exit in a room with someone with a gun?
put one foot in front of the other, rapidly
Also, the exit in a fast moving car, which HAS TO slow down eventually, could be a LOT closer than in a room.
if it slows down and stops out in the boonies, what then?
By the way, how much more DETRACTING are you going to ATTEMPT?
how much longer are we gonna dissect the subject of hitchhikin'?
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The Fact, however, that you are UNAWARE of the stealing that you have done and are doing is what is REALLY STUPID
Tell me, age: what have I stolen?
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bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:10 pm The rule of thumb: You have all rights when it comes to you
Do you BELIEVE you have ALL 'rights' to do what you want to do?

If no, then how does this align with "you have ALL rights when it comes to you"?
Yes, I have the all right when it comes to my life.
So, you BELIEVE you decide what you can do, and so you can do whatever you want to do, correct?
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:10 pm but you have no right to decide about others.
So, if you want to breed children do you REALLY believe or accept that you have absolutely NO 'rights' when deciding about them?

If yes, then how does this all work together?
I am talking about people who are alive.
So am I. Why would you assume otherwise?
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:10 pm All interpersonal conflicts are due to not respecting the rule of thumb.
Most interpersonal conflicts are just due to NOT understanding one another properly and correctly.

YOUR 'rule of thumb' here does NOT work, well to me anyway.

What about if you decide when it comes to you that you can abuse "others" and pollute their home. Is it really the case that absolutely NO one has a 'right' to decide about 'you'?
I am not allowed to abuse others.
According to who, EXACTLY?
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm I respect this rule therefore the problem is resolved.
LOL ANOTHER EXAMPLE of IGNORANCE and/or DENIAL.
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Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am

Do you BELIEVE you have ALL 'rights' to do what you want to do?

If no, then how does this align with "you have ALL rights when it comes to you"?
Yes, I have the all right when it comes to my life.
So, you BELIEVE you decide what you can do, and so you can do whatever you want to do, correct?
No, I think that I have the right to do what I like to do.
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am

So, if you want to breed children do you REALLY believe or accept that you have absolutely NO 'rights' when deciding about them?

If yes, then how does this all work together?
I am talking about people who are alive.
So am I. Why would you assume otherwise?
You talk about breeding children.
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am

Most interpersonal conflicts are just due to NOT understanding one another properly and correctly.

YOUR 'rule of thumb' here does NOT work, well to me anyway.

What about if you decide when it comes to you that you can abuse "others" and pollute their home. Is it really the case that absolutely NO one has a 'right' to decide about 'you'?
I am not allowed to abuse others.
According to who, EXACTLY?
According to the people who don't like to be abused.
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm I respect this rule therefore the problem is resolved.
LOL ANOTHER EXAMPLE of IGNORANCE and/or DENIAL.
What is your problem?
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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:55 pm
So, how exactly do you make your way to an exit in a room with someone with a gun?
put one foot in front of the other, rapidly
Also, the exit in a fast moving car, which HAS TO slow down eventually, could be a LOT closer than in a room.
if it slows down and stops out in the boonies, what then?
Is this the ONLY variable in your hypothetical here?
henry quirk wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:55 pm
By the way, how much more DETRACTING are you going to ATTEMPT?
how much longer are we gonna dissect the subject of hitchhikin'?
Maybe until you explain how, EXACTLY, hitch hiking is NEVER EVER a "good thing".
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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:56 pm
The Fact, however, that you are UNAWARE of the stealing that you have done and are doing is what is REALLY STUPID
Tell me, age: what have I stolen?
Literally the 'property', which you say is "yours".
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Age wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 4:21 amMaybe until you explain how, EXACTLY, hitch hiking is NEVER EVER a "good thing"
You refer, of course, to this...
henry quirk wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 1:54 am
Impenitent wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 1:45 am hitching a ride isn't a good thing anymore...

-Imp
it never was
...which was a throwaway line.

Hitchin' is bad idea becuz, as I believe, I've already said, the hitcher puts himself in a metal box with a stranger, a fast-movin' metal box that can't be exited without significant risk. The hitcher turns over his welfare to this stranger, who may not have his best interests in mind.

That's my view.

Now, I'm done defendin' throwaway lines.
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Age wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 4:24 am
henry quirk wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:56 pm
The Fact, however, that you are UNAWARE of the stealing that you have done and are doing is what is REALLY STUPID
Tell me, age: what have I stolen?
Literally the 'property', which you say is "yours".
this is not an answer...it's an assertion...back it up with evidence
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bahman wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
Yes, I have the all right when it comes to my life.
So, you BELIEVE you decide what you can do, and so you can do whatever you want to do, correct?
No, I think that I have the right to do what I like to do.
How and why, EXACTLY, would 'you', personally, have the 'right' to do what you like to do, which would or could cause the harm or damage to "others"?
bahman wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
I am talking about people who are alive.
So am I. Why would you assume otherwise?
You talk about breeding children.
Correct and OBVIOUS, but my question REMAINS.
bahman wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm
I am not allowed to abuse others.
According to who, EXACTLY?
According to the people who don't like to be abused.
But that does NOT necessarily stop you. Well it has NOT so far anyway.
bahman wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am
bahman wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 7:23 pm I respect this rule therefore the problem is resolved.
LOL ANOTHER EXAMPLE of IGNORANCE and/or DENIAL.
What is your problem?
HOW can 'I' get 'you', adult human beings', to STOP ASSUMING, and to START JUST LISTENING?

What is 'your''problem'?
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bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:10 pm The rule of thumb: You have all rights when it comes to you but you have no right to decide about others. All interpersonal conflicts are due to not respecting the rule of thumb.
How would contracts work out in this? You've agreed to do X, I pay Y. I don't like your work. I want money back or my wife died when the staircase collapsed, etc.

Do I get to play loud music in the park or not? Who gets to control the park noise level for everyone, the ones who love loud music there or the one's who came to relax and listen to the birds.

Who gets to decide for others? Cause someone does.

How about the boss/employee relationship? If we follow your rule of thumb, what does my boss get to decide about my clothes, actions, speech, facial expression, times of arrival or does he or she get to decide about others?

Speed of driving?

Public sex? Slander? Free speech vs. the damage that word lies can have on others.

Abortion? Does the fetus get to decide? If the fetus starts dying in a mother who wants the fetus to live, can the doctors override the fetus' dying? How do they get consent?

At what age do you get to decide for yourself and no one else can?
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Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:10 pm The rule of thumb: You have all rights when it comes to you but you have no right to decide about others. All interpersonal conflicts are due to not respecting the rule of thumb.
How would contracts work out in this? You've agreed to do X, I pay Y. I don't like your work. I want money back or my wife died when the staircase collapsed, etc.
I don't know how to resolve this.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Do I get to play loud music in the park or not? Who gets to control the park noise level for everyone, the ones who love loud music there or the one's who came to relax and listen to the birds.
A park is a public place so we have to refer to consensus.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Who gets to decide for others? Cause someone does.
No one.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am How about the boss/employee relationship? If we follow your rule of thumb, what does my boss get to decide about my clothes, actions, speech, facial expression, times of arrival or does he or she get to decide about others?
You have all rights.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Speed of driving?
This is the duty of science.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Public sex?
Public affair again so we have to refer to consensus.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Slander?
No. That is against the right of people.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Free speech vs. the damage that word lies can have on others.
You are not free to lie about others.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Abortion?
No, that is against the right of fetus.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Does the fetus get to decide?
The fetus cannot decide or cannot inform us about his/her decision.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am If the fetus starts dying in a mother who wants the fetus to live, can the doctors override the fetus' dying? How do they get consent?
The mother decides even if keeping the fetus put her life in danger.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am At what age do you get to decide for yourself and no one else can?
When you have good mental health and are mature enough.
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bahman wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 12:37 pm A park is a public place so we have to refer to consensus.
So, consensus can control what you do.
No one.
Well, consensus, which is a majority, generally, since the ones who want to play music and the ones who want to listen to birds, at least some of them, will not want others to control their experience. So, a majority and perhaps sometimes a plurality will decide what you do.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am How about the boss/employee relationship? If we follow your rule of thumb, what does my boss get to decide about my clothes, actions, speech, facial expression, times of arrival or does he or she get to decide about others?
You have all rights.
So, you can show up when you want, wear what you want, choose your actions and so on at work?
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Speed of driving?
This is the duty of science.
Science may indicate how dangerous each speed is, but humans will have to determine how we prioritize speed vs. convenience, etc. To be perfectly same all driving could be kept under 10mph. Science cannot give us our priorities, though it can inform our decisions. Further, on the practical side. police will then be enforcing controls on people's freedom.
You are not free to lie about others.
But pretty much any court system cannot really differentiate between what you cannot prove is true and what is false. So, you may be restricted from telling a truth you cannot prove. And then there is a lot of interpretation. So, there will be restrictions on free specch.
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:09 am Abortion?
No, that is against the right of fetus.
The mother decides even if keeping the fetus put her life in danger.
But in my example it was more the other way. The fetus is dying. Medicine can keep it alive. Are we not overriding the naturl process of the fetus?
When you have mental health and are mature enough.
So, parents and others do get to tell children what to do until then.
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Age wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 5:56 am
bahman wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am

So, you BELIEVE you decide what you can do, and so you can do whatever you want to do, correct?
No, I think that I have the right to do what I like to do.
How and why, EXACTLY, would 'you', personally, have the 'right' to do what you like to do, which would or could cause the harm or damage to "others"?
I have all right when it comes to my life. That is not the business of others.
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am
bahman wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am

So am I. Why would you assume otherwise?
You talk about breeding children.
Correct and OBVIOUS, but my question REMAINS.
Which is?
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am
bahman wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Age wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:53 am

According to who, EXACTLY?
According to the people who don't like to be abused.
But that does NOT necessarily stop you. Well it has NOT so far anyway.
I have to stop myself.
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am
bahman wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:32 pm
Age wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 4:13 am

LOL ANOTHER EXAMPLE of IGNORANCE and/or DENIAL.
What is your problem?
HOW can 'I' get 'you', adult human beings', to STOP ASSUMING, and to START JUST LISTENING?

What is 'your''problem'?
I have no problem.
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