henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:08 pm
Unless you got sumthin' new (I sure don't) I'm done with you and I'll just wait, quietly, for B to respond.
I don't think you are going to get anything from Belinda. But I think it is only fair if I give you some time to reconsider and think on any next move.
So the problem you gave yourself for the future there was that you undermined the concept of inherent wrongness. In your own rationales you have relied on everyone knowing things, and nobody being able to doubt one certain thing. But everybody also knows that lies are bad and that should have the same argumentative weight (either lots or none) as your own appeals to everyone knowing stuff.
By insisting that context alone makes lies bad (when everybody does know lying is by default wrong) you put into question all the stuff you do want to say is inherently bad such as theft, misuse of others' property and so on. Those all have a context too.
So the next time I see you boasting about how afraid of your argument somebody else is, and how it has withstood all questions,and how robustly you have been defending it... How fearless you are in examining the undergirdings.... That's probably the next line of attack.
You can try to wriggle but that means you have to get angry and abandon thread again. Or you can deal with your real problem which is the cognitive dissonance of a moral realism where lying isn't one of the basic bads that everybody knows it is in real life.
You already had the intuition for one approach that might well work when you wrote "I've taken
demonstrable wrong (as in what we have with murder, slavery, rape, and theft) and attempted to apply it to
feelings which are subjective". And I wasn't setting a trap when I mentioned that
moral realism only needs to hold that some moral assertions count as knowledge.
You've got yourself a grangrenous limb attached to your argument, keeping it attached is going to poison the whole rationale of your project. So you ought to think about cutting it off by assigning some moral discussions to the realm of opinion not fact.