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Okay. Here's a few ...
Vit wrote:I've lost the reason we set out down this path …
Your loss of purpose sparked my interest.
Walker wrote: Moving on to principle, everything done or said is caused by need, not by choice.
Walker wrote: To be executed is the ultimate wrong action by society, via an individual person, that can be done against a person.
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Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:07 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:57 am
Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:27 am
After reading this I googled Leftism and relativism, along with Leftism and Nazis.

Got a number of hits for each pair supporting the assertions that Nazis were Leftists, and Leftists are moral relativists.

Looks like both are debatable topics, and not settled science ... so your assertions have existing falsifications on record, which means your case has to be made.

I’ve noticed that Leftists often call anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi, at least they did before they started calling everyone who disagrees with them, a Racist. So, perhaps that's one of those wishes come true through repetition, since they disagree with the Right so often.
FFS. Do you know anything about Nazism? They classified themselves as NATIONAL SOCIALISTS, with the word 'socialist' only being used to attract the working-man's vote. Hitler loathed communism. The Nazis were the very epitome of 'right wing'. Stay out of politics then, because it's really beyond your capabilities. You really are a stupid and uneducated little creep who manages to pull the wool over gullible eyes.
Well, that's a good start for making your case ... 'cepting for the ending, which rather detracts.

Not here to debate it, that's for sure, although I do know that Nazism is a death cult. Death wish for discussion, hmmm, see the relevance to Leftism? :)

Just advising you that better minds than yours have asserted other than what you assert, regarding your initial taxonomization and heirarchical ordering of definitions.

Of that you certain* can agree, eh?


Bad grammar, death wish to discussion, mean and nasty thoughts ... detractors but, in this situation and in your case, quite funny! I know because my first response was to burst out laughing.
I don't 'assert' anything. Just stating facts. If Nazism isn't right wing extremism then what is?

Actually, I thought I was conversing with ImCan for some strange reason. I thought you were slightly better than that. It would seem that your cowardly 'riddle-making' has served the purpose you intended.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:42 am Actually, I thought I was conversing with ImCan for some strange reason.
You honor me.

Although I truly don't intend to write in riddles, riddles make you think, don't they. I know because under all that guff, you're a thinker.
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Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:45 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:42 am Actually, I thought I was conversing with ImCan for some strange reason.
You honor me.

Well that says it all.

As a matter of interest, where is the 'bad grammar'?
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Vitruvius wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:38 am
Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:29 am I know. I've offered much about the penalty of death, to which you haven't responded other than, death to my participation.
I can repost, if you're lazy to go back and read.
I couldn't understand what you said because it was written in horribly tortured sentences. I told you that, apologized if I'd upset you, and you spat that back in my face. Suggested I address the issues you dangled in your horribly tortured post I told you, I can't read can read and make sense of. Then you said you want to have fun instead. You're mental - go away!
Okay. Thanks for the explanation. However, I invite you to look at it this way. You have kindly explained your limitations to me. I will honor them, because you're a decent sort. No more funny stuff. I'll follow your lead.

I figured that you would be attracted to the serious distillation of any thought-stream down to six words, because finding the right six requires finding the temple in contemplation.

I'm sure you've heard the apology, which I probably paraphrase off the cuff ... I would have written less, but I didn't have the time.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:10 am
Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:45 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:42 am Actually, I thought I was conversing with ImCan for some strange reason.
You honor me.

Well that says it all.

As a matter of interest, where is the 'bad grammar'?
Well, I think I could probably give you a pretty good negative assertion on that little fantasy about "all", but we wouldn't want to veer off topic and be chided by you know who. :|


The bad grammar was my ending that detracted, but obviously more subtly than your ending did.

(Should have been, certainly.)

Of that you certain* can agree, eh?
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Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:14 am
Vitruvius wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:38 am
Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:29 am I know. I've offered much about the penalty of death, to which you haven't responded other than, death to my participation.
I can repost, if you're lazy to go back and read.
I couldn't understand what you said because it was written in horribly tortured sentences. I told you that, apologized if I'd upset you, and you spat that back in my face. Suggested I address the issues you dangled in your horribly tortured post I told you, I can't read can read and make sense of. Then you said you want to have fun instead. You're mental - go away!
Okay. Thanks for the explanation. However, I invite you to look at it this way. You have kindly explained your limitations to me. I will honor them, because you're a decent sort. No more funny stuff. I'll follow your lead.

I figured that you would be attracted to the serious distillation of any thought-stream down to six words, because finding the right six requires finding the temple in contemplation.

I'm sure you've heard the apology, which I probably paraphrase off the cuff ... I would have written less, but I didn't have the time.
:lol: You are just plain evil...
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Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:39 am Okay. Here's a few ...
Vit wrote:I've lost the reason we set out down this path …
Your loss of purpose sparked my interest.
Walker wrote: Moving on to principle, everything done or said is caused by need, not by choice.
Walker wrote: To be executed is the ultimate wrong action by society, via an individual person, that can be done against a person.
And to this you tell me to leave?

I suppose my adherence to the purpose of the thread, a purpose you lost, did not spark your interest, not with VT to distract you from the purpose.

Perhaps she stymied you.

Perhaps I stymied you.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:21 am :lol: You are just plain evil...
"Good God*, that's even worse!"
- Norm MacDonald, r.i.p.


* He may have said Lord. In fact, I think he did. He said it was his response when he was told he wasn't funny, just after he was fired from Saturday Night Live.

And just to be clear, my funny is appropriately addressed to you, I think that's allowed.
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Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:39 am Okay. Here's a few ...
Vit wrote:I've lost the reason we set out down this path …
Your loss of purpose sparked my interest.
Walker wrote: Moving on to principle, everything done or said is caused by need, not by choice.
Walker wrote: To be executed is the ultimate wrong action by society, via an individual person, that can be done against a person.
Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:28 amAnd to this you tell me to leave?

I suppose my adherence to the purpose of the thread, a purpose you lost, did not spark your interest, not with VT to distract you from the purpose.

Perhaps she stymied you.

Perhaps I stymied you.
Rephrase your post you clown!
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Walker wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:36 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:21 am :lol: You are just plain evil...
"Good God*, that's even worse!"
- Norm MacDonald, r.i.p.


* He may have said Lord. In fact, I think he did. He said it was his response when he was told he wasn't funny, just after he was fired from Saturday Night Live.

And just to be clear, my funny is appropriately addressed to you, I think that's allowed.
Norm MacDonald died? That's a shame :(
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Vitruvius wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:50 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:11 pmKilling people will not make this stop.
She would not have wanted it, as her surviving family do not want that either.
Why would you want to cover her dead hands in the blood of YOUR vengeance?
She did want things at one time. She doesn't want anything anymore. She's dead, and there's another, and another, and another - when do we say this is unacceptable? It's not about what the family wants. It's about what's good for society. It's about deterrent. It's also about the £50,000 per year to keep trash locked up - and the danger they pose to society when released, and forever after. It's about the money not spent on housing, schools, roads, hospitals - spent instead on feeding, clothing, housing, heating, entertaining - people who have committed crimes that are inhuman in character. Crimes the disregard and grossly violate the human rights of others. Why should they have a right to life? When they could be swinging in Parliament Square as a statement: We look after our people. Instead, we look after child molesters, rapists and killers. It's wrong.
Yes. she is dead. So stop pissing on her grave.
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Sculptor wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:11 pmKilling people will not make this stop.
She would not have wanted it, as her surviving family do not want that either.
Why would you want to cover her dead hands in the blood of YOUR vengeance?
Vitruvius wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:50 amShe did want things at one time. She doesn't want anything anymore. She's dead, and there's another, and another, and another - when do we say this is unacceptable? It's not about what the family wants. It's about what's good for society. It's about deterrent. It's also about the £50,000 per year to keep trash locked up - and the danger they pose to society when released, and forever after. It's about the money not spent on housing, schools, roads, hospitals - spent instead on feeding, clothing, housing, heating, entertaining - people who have committed crimes that are inhuman in character. Crimes the disregard and grossly violate the human rights of others. Why should they have a right to life? When they could be swinging in Parliament Square as a statement: We look after our people. Instead, we look after child molesters, rapists and killers. It's wrong.
Sculptor wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:36 pmYes. she is dead. So stop pissing on her grave.
I don't think I'm doing that, but I'd happily piss on her killers grave!
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Vitruvius wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:54 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:11 pmKilling people will not make this stop.
She would not have wanted it, as her surviving family do not want that either.
Why would you want to cover her dead hands in the blood of YOUR vengeance?
Vitruvius wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:50 amShe did want things at one time. She doesn't want anything anymore. She's dead, and there's another, and another, and another - when do we say this is unacceptable? It's not about what the family wants. It's about what's good for society. It's about deterrent. It's also about the £50,000 per year to keep trash locked up - and the danger they pose to society when released, and forever after. It's about the money not spent on housing, schools, roads, hospitals - spent instead on feeding, clothing, housing, heating, entertaining - people who have committed crimes that are inhuman in character. Crimes the disregard and grossly violate the human rights of others. Why should they have a right to life? When they could be swinging in Parliament Square as a statement: We look after our people. Instead, we look after child molesters, rapists and killers. It's wrong.
Sculptor wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:36 pmYes. she is dead. So stop pissing on her grave.
I don't think I'm doing that, but I'd happily piss on her killers grave!
Far too many people are wrongly convicted by bad policing.
He'll get plenty of shit sandwiches for the rest of his puff in gaol. A far more fitting punishment that a quick stretch of his neck. This has the added bonus of ensuring, that when the cops, and the courts, get it wrong, as they so so often do, he might have a chance at freedom.
And that argument is far more compelling than your desire to piss on his grave.

You might want to look up Wayne Couzens. With cops like that, trust in the police is low. Far too many people are wrongly convicted by bad policing.
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Sculptor wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:11 pmKilling people will not make this stop.
She would not have wanted it, as her surviving family do not want that either.
Why would you want to cover her dead hands in the blood of YOUR vengeance?
Vitruvius wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:50 amShe did want things at one time. She doesn't want anything anymore. She's dead, and there's another, and another, and another - when do we say this is unacceptable? It's not about what the family wants. It's about what's good for society. It's about deterrent. It's also about the £50,000 per year to keep trash locked up - and the danger they pose to society when released, and forever after. It's about the money not spent on housing, schools, roads, hospitals - spent instead on feeding, clothing, housing, heating, entertaining - people who have committed crimes that are inhuman in character. Crimes the disregard and grossly violate the human rights of others. Why should they have a right to life? When they could be swinging in Parliament Square as a statement: We look after our people. Instead, we look after child molesters, rapists and killers. It's wrong.
Sculptor wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:36 pmYes. she is dead. So stop pissing on her grave.
Vitruvius wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:54 pmI don't think I'm doing that, but I'd happily piss on her killers grave!
Sculptor wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:08 pmHe'll get plenty of shit sandwiches for the rest of his puff in gaol. A far more fitting punishment that a quick stretch of his neck. This has the added bonus of ensuring, that when the cops, and the courts, get it wrong, as they so so often do, he might have a chance at freedom. And that argument is far more compelling than your desire to piss on his grave.
Wrongful conviction is rare since CCTV, DNA, cell phone location data and so on, that didn't exist when the death penalty was abolished in 1965. The danger of wrongful conviction back then was a powerful argument, but not anymore. It's in unicorn territory now. Also, since 1965 - things have changed dramatically. Such crimes are increasingly commonplace, when in 1965, they were unicorn type crimes. The calculation has changed. We just don't have the resources to lock up the massive numbers of shit-bags wandering around. Time to start stringing up the real nasty ones as a statement, and/or cost saving exercise!
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