Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:16 amYou're the only one making an individual/ "collective" distinction. You'd have to explain why such a distinction matters, especially so that you're not simply forwarding an argumentum ad populum.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:19 amNah, once a claim of reality [together with the experience of reality] is verified and justified via a FSK is independent of the individual's beliefs and opinion but it is not independent of the collective's mental.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:59 am
You just said "cannot be extramental." If something cannot be extramental it can't be independent of individuals' minds.
I have stated many times. A scientific fact once accepted by a human constructed scientific FSK is independent of the the individual scientists beliefs and opinion.
- In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people"[1]) is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so".
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However when I stated whatever is claimed from within a moral FSK which is similar to the scientific FSK it is not based on the beliefs of many individuals.
What is produced from a moral fsk are justified true moral facts which are verified and justified empirically and philosophical within the rigorous requirements of the FSK.
It is not like a survey of individual beliefs e.g. God exists which is believed by >80% of humans. The difference is the belief 'God exists' is not verified and justified empirically and philosophical within the rigorous requirements of a credible FSK.