FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:48 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:37 am
You don't even understand how science escapes circularity in the narrow sense.
In addition you don't understand the limitation of classical logic which strength is based on abstraction, i.e. stripping all elements of reality naked to get its way.
Note I linked following on how science generate credibility, reliability and confidence levels with minimal faith.
The Credibility and Reliability of Science
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I claimed my moral FSK has almost all of the above features in justifying its credibility thus avoiding circularity in the narrow sense but within acceptable circularity in the broader sense.
Ok, let's look at that list...
1. Objectivity
Scientific objectivity would have you believe that if an apple falls off a tree in Denmark for some reason, another apple falling off another tree in Brazil will have a similar reason for doing so, or else there will be some extra factor explaining why not.
Your FSK doesn't have such objectivity, you admitted as much yourself when you coined the phrase "personal objectivity" for what your thing has. It is also demonstrated to be absent by the way you cannot use it to show why competing explanations are mistaken.
2. Verifiability
Scientific verifiability would have you believe that if you perform an experiment to measure the effect of titrating a given amount of a solution of x purity with a given amount of carbon dioxide the result will have a certain measurable ph balance, and that this can be verified by repeating the experiment.
Verifiability in your thing asserts nothing more than if you ask VA twice what evil number he assigns to some activity he might give you a broadly similar number both times.
3. Ethical Neutrality
Hardly relevant here, no idea why you listed it.
4. Systematic Exploration
What is that supposed to mean really?
5. Reliability
You cannot be relied upon to make your mind up whether a given claim is verified by observation or just making up new definitions on the fly.
6. Precision
Your claims to precision are absurd, you just make up numbers for evils off the top of your head.
7. Accuracy
Why do we need to list both accuracy and precision?
8. Abstractness
Why do we need to list this factor at all?
9. Predictability.
Meh.
Science escapes circularity by being a method of investigation, not by being a body of knowledge. Your thing is circular in ways that science isn't and you are excercising poor judgment by pursuing this line of argument.
You need to found your method of investigation on something that is not defined and solely validated within the body of knowledge that it is supposed to support. Science does this by observation of regularity in events within the world.
You do everything by asserting that your FSK - which I remind you everyone in the world except you thinks is stupid - is "credible" according to standards that you assert without justification.
Your are infected by confirmation bias, thus it is not likely you will accept any of my views.
At present I am the only one agreeing with my moral FSK but with very high conviction thus 'personal objectivity.'
However Principle of Objectivity is one of the imperative principle and feature of my FSK.
The principle of 'objectivity' e.g. like in science is mainly because it is qualified to the scientific FSK and not to any individual's [scientist or otherwise]. Objectivity in this case means independent of any individual's opinion or belief.
Thus when fully implemented, my FSK will be highly objective.
Verified means can be verified and justified empirically and philosophically.
Therefore whatever claims are made within the moral FSK, they must be able to be verified as true and credible.
Say my claim of the moral reality 'no human ought to kill humans.'
The question then is, how is the above verified and justified empirically and philosophically?
In that case, as I had indicated, I will refer to various scientific knowledge and others. I have already discussed this many times.
The above are the main features.
I can justify all the other criteria in various degrees. but I am not going to waste time.
The point is I stated my FSK has similar features of that of science in terms of credibility and reliability but I admit the degree will be lower.