Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:11 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:23 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:50 pm
That something is popular or common never makes that thing right, correct, true, recommended, etc.
Agreed.
But if one is engaged in converting the norms of human nature into the source of morality-proper, then it stands to reason that into that heap must go the traditional tendency of humans everywhere to do things as a crowd that they would find abhorent as an individual.
Morality has always had to fly against human nature. Human nature is a thing to be calmed and tamed. The wild human spirit is seen as a thing to be civilized and modified, so that natural urges need be quoshed.
Trying to pretend that normal human behaviour out to govern morality is absurd.
As usual you cannot see that 500 pound gorilla right in front of you.
The fact is "that natural urges need to be quashed" is itself a natural urge.
Repeat, "that natural urges need to be quashed" is itself a natural urge.
You don't seem to differentiate between natural urges that are negative to the well-being of the individuals and those that are positive.
What is morality-proper thus relates to those natural urges that are "programmed" to quash the prior more domineering natural urges that are potentially negative to the well-being of the individuals.
What you are ignorant is, the inherent positive-natural-urges as "programmed" were not as active and dominant as those that are 'negative' due to the evolutionary and environmental circumstances since <200,000 years ago.
But now in 2010 continuing into the future, the positive-natural-urges are unfolding and getting more active [as demonstrate by the trend of reduction in the negative urges].
I believe your sense that morality is about "governance" has misled you from what is morality-proper.
There should be NO governance and enforcement in morality-proper but rather morality-proper should be
self-cultivated and self-developed within the individual personally to enable morality-proper to flows & aligns spontaneously with what [the inherent moral fact - oughtness - that] is naturally positive for the well being of the individual[s].