What is a right action?

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Peter Holmes wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:48 am Of course there are moral facts. Of course X is morally wrong. Don't you think X is morally wrong? What are you - a monster?

X = rape, slavery, genocide. No argument. It's a fact that those are morally wrong. Disagree? What sort of monster are you?

Of course there are moral facts. And I happen to know what they are.
Of course there are moral facts! Genocide is objectively wrong and I know this!

Are you telling us that given the choice between pro-genocide (causing genocide) and anti-genocide (preventing genocide) you don't know which choice is the moral choice?!?!
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Peter Holmes wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:48 am Of course there are moral facts. Of course X is morally wrong. Don't you think X is morally wrong? What are you - a monster?

X = rape, slavery, genocide. No argument. It's a fact that those are morally wrong. Disagree? What sort of monster are you?

Of course there are moral facts. And I happen to know what they are.
X = ... genocide. No argument. It's a fact that those are morally wrong.

Hitler disagreed with the above and committed genocide.

If not a monster, are you calling him an angel or a lamb?
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bahman wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:24 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:59 pm
Skepdick wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:22 pm
What a morally bankrupt question from somebody who proclaims to be "anti-genocide"!
I asked a question. You obviously do not know the answer.
What do you think is wrong with genocide?
Don't you know?
Equality. Do you like to be in the same situation?
I asked what was wrong with genocide.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:47 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:08 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:11 am In my case what is morality-proper is supported by empirically and philosophically verifiable and justifiable moral facts within a credible moral framework and system.
That is what they all say, sweetie.
Hitler used archaeology and inheritance science to justify his genocide.
So you agree that anyone's with Hitler sort of justification can wipe off you and your whole family and relatives?
No, I said he used the same method you do.
That is what the Islamic jihadists did, i.e. the justify their killing of non-believers based on divine science and because their God demand such evils.
Yes, by the objective method, that you employ, ignoring the assumptions and preconceptions
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:19 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:59 pm
Skepdick wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:22 pm
What a morally bankrupt question from somebody who proclaims to be "anti-genocide"!
I asked a question. You obviously do not know the answer.
What do you think is wrong with genocide?
Don't you know?
What is wrong with genocide?
To even ask such a question is :shock: :shock: :shock:
You are definitely not a human being.
Humans are very good at asking questions.
Most are good at answering them.
I'll ask you again.
What do YOU think is wrong with genocide?
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Skepdick wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:07 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:59 pm I asked a question. You obviously do not know the answer.
What do you think is wrong with genocide?
Don't you know?
Genocide is objectively wrong.
Prove it!

I think genocide is wrong, and have many reasons that it so. That would be an opinion. Opinions are subject to conditions that each of us understand, but are not obligagted to accept.

It appears that the objectivists on the thread have no fucking idea at all.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 pm Prove it!
Prove that I have to prove it.
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 pm I think genocide is wrong, and have many reasons that it so. That would be an opinion. Opinions are subject to conditions that each of us understand, but are not obligagted to accept.
That's a long way of saying "Genocide is objectively wrong".

Why do you keep refusing to say it? Are you secretly on the pro-genocide team?
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 pm It appears that the objectivists on the thread have no fucking idea at all.
You got this exactly backwards. The idea that the objectivists have is THAT genocide is objectively wrong.

The very idea you seem incapable of saying out loud for some unfathomable reason. Not only that, you seem to be spending an extraordinary amount of time objecting to that idea.

So I ask because it needs to be asked: Are you secretly on the pro-genocide team?
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Skepdick wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:17 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 pm Prove it!
Prove that I have to prove it.
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 pm I think genocide is wrong, and have many reasons that it so. That would be an opinion. Opinions are subject to conditions that each of us understand, but are not obligagted to accept.
That's a long way of saying "Genocide is objectively wrong".

Why do you keep refusing to say it? Are you secretly on the pro-genocide team?
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 pm It appears that the objectivists on the thread have no fucking idea at all.
You got this exactly backwards. The idea that the objectivists have is THAT genocide is objectively wrong.

The very idea you seem incapable of saying out loud for some unfathomable reason. Not only that, you seem to be spending an extraordinary amount of time objecting to that idea.

So I ask because it needs to be asked: Are you secretly on the pro-genocide team?
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:28 pm PLONK!
Remember when Trump worked his ass of to avoid denouncing white supremacy? He just couldn't fucking say it!

For somebody who dislikes Trump you sure work overtime to emulate him.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:06 am
The moral relativists [anything goes] like yourself will not bother with ontological soundness.
Right after I said that I am bothering with that and I've made it clear numerous times what morality is ontologically.
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Skepdick wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:28 pm PLONK!
Remember when Trump worked his ass of to avoid denouncing white supremacy? He just couldn't fucking say it!

For somebody who dislikes Trump you sure work overtime to emulate him.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:47 pm
Skepdick wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:28 pm PLONK!
Remember when Trump worked his ass of to avoid denouncing white supremacy? He just couldn't fucking say it!

For somebody who dislikes Trump you sure work overtime to emulate him.
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I'm still waiting for an objective argument that genocide is bad.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:10 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:24 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:59 pm

I asked a question. You obviously do not know the answer.
What do you think is wrong with genocide?
Don't you know?
Equality. Do you like to be in the same situation?
I asked what was wrong with genocide.
Do you like to be a victim of genocide?
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bahman wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:26 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:10 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:24 am
Equality. Do you like to be in the same situation?
I asked what was wrong with genocide.
Do you like to be a victim of genocide?
It does not matter what my personal opinion is. And it could be that the genocide would protect my kind against others.
We were talking about an objective argument which proves that genocide is bad.
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