Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:26 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:53 am
Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:29 am
What evasive rubbish. You say that if we were programmed to kill and rape people, then we ought to do so - because the criterion for what we ought to do is consistency with our programming. Calling killing and raping 'evil' doesn't rescue this pernicious doctrine.
So much for moral objectivity - for the existence of moral facts supposedly empirically and philosophically verified and justified within a credible moral framework and system of knowledge... blah blah blah...mantra mumbling...back to tea and biscuits in the day room.
When you resort to "IF' then anything goes.
How come you ignore my point,
You are indeed ignorant on,
there is no empirical evidence to support that;
1. humans [generically] are "programmed PRIMARILY to kill humans"
2. humans [generically] are "programmed PRIMARILY to rape humans"
You present to me an "IFs" conditions, but such IFs condition do not exists as real.
As I'm sure you damn well know, the point of the 'if' conditional is this.
The claim 'if we were programmed to kill humans, then we ought to do so' is obviously morally grotesque. So our programming can't be the criterion for moral rightness and wrongness.
So it follows that, if it exists, our programming not to kill humans doesn't mean we ought not to kill humans - because our programming, as we've just seen, can't be the criterion for moral rightness and wrongness.
I can't believe you need this spelt out.
Nah you got it wrong as always.
"
IF humans were programmed to kill humans, then human ought to do so"
That is very logical and it follows, but not necessary real.
"
IF humans were programmed to kill eat their own shit, then human ought to do so"
But the reality is humans are NOT "programmed" specifically to kill humans.
Because the inherent moral function with an oughtness of 'not to kill humans' within all human in their DNA/RNA.
How come you ignore reality and instead cling on to some hypothetical conditions as if they are real?
Answer yes or no,
Are ALL humans "programmed" specifically to kill humans?
The reality, as evident is,
As per human nature, ALL humans are "programmed" with an oughtness not to kill humans.
Therefore
if humans are also programmed to kill humans, then that would be a contradiction to human nature.
Because it is a fact that ALL humans are programmed with an ought_ness of not to kill human, then humans ought not to kill humans.
Because killing of human is a mora element, i.e. an evil act,
the ought_ness of is a moral fact within a moral FSK as a moral standard, i.e.
'no human ought to kill humans'.
If anyone how demand how the above moral fact is verified and justified,
then we trace it backward through,
-the moral framework and system with its principles and processes, inputs, etc.
to the neurons and algorithm in the brain and person.