Not in the least.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:06 pm It doesn't seem all that grand to note that deriving an ought from another ought is not the same as deriving an ought from an is.
But it would be very grand to tell us why you value one mode of derivation over another.
I doubt you have understood it either. Especially since you can't actually tell us the purpose of such a derivation; or why such a deprivation is "better" than any of the alternatives.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:06 pm Much like your narcissistic frenemy there, I'm wondering if you have understood what purpose the act of deriving an ought from an is actually supposed to serve?
Is that really the purpose? That doesn't strike me as a purpose.That strikes me as a goal.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:06 pm The purpose is to arrive at global objective oughts.
WHY do you want to arrive at global, objective oughts?
The answer to that question seems more like a purpose to me.
That's fair. So why would anybody care about a global objective ought?FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:06 pm Nobody cares if you describe your subjective inconsequential opinions and dispositions as 'ISes', just like we don't care if you have a bucket list of oughts taped to your fridge reminding you climb Kilimanjaro one day.
yes, I understand that the only leg you have to stand on is to work double over-time to frame the debate. But surely you've figured out by now that this lame tactic doesn't work on most people on this forum?FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:06 pm This is a debate about what grounds you have for telling me that the contents of my moral beliefs are factually mistaken when they don't correspond to yours, and your fridge has no say in the matter.
Moral arguments are about convincing you that you are FACTUALLY mistaken. They are about convincing you that you are mistaken in choice.
You are mistaken about your goals, about your values and acceptable behaviours. Towards this end we'll throw in facts (as if they are supposed to make a difference, but they really don't) but eventually you'll be put before the decision to vaccinate against COVID-19 or not and guess which way society will pressure you?
You always have a choice, even when you can't afford the cost of making it.