Oh. The "boundary" would be if they're programmed to survive (of course) given how Veritas would characterize that if he's not simply saying that humans survive until they die.
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Trivially everybody survives until they die.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:40 pm Oh. The "boundary" would be if they're programmed to survive (of course) given how Veritas would characterize that if he's not simply saying that humans survive until they die.
Non-trivially the duration of time between "birth" and "death" is increasing.
Statistically.
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Exactly. Hence a characterization where "Humans are programmed to survive until they die" would be the case.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:43 pmTrivially everybody survives until they die.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:40 pm Oh. The "boundary" would be if they're programmed to survive (of course) given how Veritas would characterize that if he's not simply saying that humans survive until they die.
Cool. If only that had something to do with saying that humans are "programmed to survive." (And only if it weren't just your personal fantasizing/imaginings.)Non-trivially the duration of time between "birth" and "death" is increasing.
Statistically.
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In a reductionist interpretation. Are you a reductionist?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:45 pm Exactly. Hence a characterization where "Humans are programmed to survive until they die" would be the case.
It has "something to do" with it if you interpret it charitably/holistically.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:45 pm Cool. If only that had something to do with saying that humans are "programmed to survive." (And only if it weren't just your personal fantasizing/imaginings.)
Human longevity is increasing.
It's not a constant.
it's not decreasing.
it's increasing.
Why? Because humans are programmed to survive... And so we do. And we are getting better and better at it.
Now, it may not be true universally, but universals are a fool's errand.
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I have no idea. What definition of "reductionist" do you use? It's not a term I ever use personally. I don't care if anyone is a "reductionist" or not.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:47 pmIn a reductionist interpretation. Are you a reductionist?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:45 pm Exactly. Hence a characterization where "Humans are programmed to survive until they die" would be the case.
A charitable interpretation wouldn't be that you have a view that you don't actually have, would it? You think that you can't observe anything external to yourself, no? So a charitable interpretation should interpret what you say in that context.It has "something to do" with it if you interpret it charitably/holistically.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:45 pm Cool. If only that had something to do with saying that humans are "programmed to survive." (And only if it weren't just your personal fantasizing/imaginings.)
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Reductionist: somebody who interprets "Humans are programmed to survive until they die" as a trivial truth.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:50 pm I have no idea. What definition of "reductionist" do you use? It's not a term I ever use personally. I don't care if anyone is a "reductionist" or not.
Non-reductionist" somebody who interprets "Humans are programmed to survive until they die as a non-trivial truth.
A charitable interpretation would be that your view/belief is more complete than the words you are reading.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:50 pm A charitable interpretation wouldn't be that you have a view that you don't actually have, would it?
Que?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:50 pm You think that you can't observe anything external to yourself, no?
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Okay, so then I'm not a reductionist by that criterion. I didn't interpret it any particular way. I was just being charitable with respect to what he might be saying, so that the interpretation would make it true rather than false. That's the whole idea of charity re interpretation.
Sure but not that it's other than what I'm reading.A charitable interpretation would be that your view/belief is more complete than the words you are reading.
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My beliefs are always other than what you are reading.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:03 pm Sure but not that it's other than what I'm reading.
Words are expressions. I could express my beliefs in many different ways.
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No... my writing correlates with my beliefs. But my beliefs are always something other than what YOU are reading.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:06 pm Maybe try writing something that's better-correlated to your beliefs then?
Apparently they teach understanding in philosophy 101 and misunderstanding at PhD level...
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We're not being overly literal here again are we?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:09 pmNo... my writing correlates with my beliefs. But my beliefs are always something other than what YOU are reading.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:06 pm Maybe try writing something that's better-correlated to your beliefs then?
Apparently they teach understanding in philosophy 101 and misunderstanding at PhD level...
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Or not literal enough.
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Hence: not literal enough.
There's no semantic closure in communication.
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What you stated above is correct but too plain.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:07 pmIs this just another way of saying that "human individuals survive until they die"?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:26 am As I had stated "ALL humans are "programmed" to survive till the inevitable of mortality." That is human nature.
What is false about that "purpose"?
My proposition is with the word 'programmed" to ensure the human individuals survive till the inevitability of mortality.