RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:28 am
Wow, on the same thread
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:08 am
Yes. Facts can change. ...
VVilliam wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:31 pm
... in most cases, facts are subject to change.
A fact never changes. If what is thought to be a, "fact," changes, it was never a fact.
Please provide even one example of a fact that has ever changed.
[The fact that it rained yesterday, is still a fact today, even though it is sunny today. The fact
is, It did rain yesterday
, and that will be true forever. Facts never change.]
I also agreed facts and even their respective referents can change.
- P1 The only absolute constant is change,
P2 Since facts are never absolute constant,
C1 Facts do change.
Here is one example where a fact [scientific- astronomy] did change, i.e.
- Scientific Fact: 1390 to 2006: Pluto is the ninth planet from the Sun.
Pluto was discovered by Clyde Tombaugh in 1930 and declared to be the ninth planet from the Sun.
Fact changed to:
Scientific Fact: 2006 to Present: Pluto is a dwarf planet - or a planet per se.
After 1992, its status as a planet was questioned following the discovery of several objects of similar size in the Kuiper belt. In 2005, Eris, a dwarf planet in the scattered disc which is 27% more massive than Pluto, was discovered. This led the International Astronomical Union (IAU) to define the term "planet" formally in 2006, during their 26th General Assembly. That definition excluded Pluto and reclassified it as a dwarf planet.
Note the supposedly referent
[a body of rocks, sand, ice, etc.] named 'Pluto' as with any other objects by default is constantly changing.
In any case, the 'referent' is illusory at the fundamental level.
What is the supposedly referent is an emergence from reality in which subjects are part and parcel of.
[The fact that it rained yesterday, is still a fact today, even though it is sunny today.
The fact is, It did rain yesterday, and that will be true forever. Facts never change.]
The above is too simple-minded from perspective of philosophy.
Whose fact it that?
Yours, Tom, Dick or Harry's?
That it rained yesterday can only be confirmed by the meteorological scientists.
There are lots of situations where the meteorologists had changed their conclusions and facts on weather conditions.