Note,Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:22 amMy rhetoric is only tangential to the logic here. It is appropriate to reflect how you interpret another's view by one's own perspective. The 'Strawman Fallacy' only exists where the logic is missing such that where one has bricks to build a strong case, the offender paints the bricks to look like an eyesore about to crumble. Most fallacies are dependent upon such similar preconditions and so require that you give an explanation of HOW I was being illogical about my expressed reasoning that I opted to use an effective analogy to match.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:40 am As typical, you are building another straw-man.
You created your own rhetorical argument and introduced your own inherent tendency to wean and commit genocide on your 20% of insane. I have no such ideas.
As far as I am concern, I will just stick to;
- (1) It is immoral to do X - as justified,
(2) Thus it would be morally right to do Y - opposite of X.
(3) The moral objective in 2 will be embedded as a GUIDE within the moral framework.
If there are really 20% of people who will be insane, that will not have an impact on 1-3 above. The moral objective will remain intact as justified.
Nope there is no need to wean off these 20% of the insane immediately. Those can be helped they will be assisted to normality. As for the hardcore insane, humanity will have to accept them as they are.
What can be done in this case [independent of my moral system] is for humanity to ensure future humans are born and prevented from being insane as much as possible with foolproof approaches.
As such, the aim would be to reduce the % of insane from 20% progressively to as low as possible in 20, 50, 75, > 100 years.
I believe you will continue to build more straw-man[s] later.
Your above argument is nothing more that saying,
(1) X is DEFINED 'immoral'
(2) Y is DEFINED as "moral"
(3) X is exclusively outside of Y [or X = not-Y]
(4) Things that are "moral" are things that I like. I like Y
(5) Things that are "immoral" are things that I do not like. I dislike X
CONCLUSION: WE all (shall) agree to Y or risk being put up against The Wall!
The argument here is true in how we actually assign value as something we prefer all others to like because it is subjectively 'good' for ourselves. It is either that or maybe you just need a little 'pinprick' of that needle's good medicine to make you feel sane like the ME!? The argument you think is simple is mistaken because you are 'generalizing' from 'instances' where you falsely presume that you are fully qualified to know what X and Y are CORRECTLY.
- A straw man (or strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
Note my argument.
- (1) It is immoral to do X - as justified,
(2) Thus it would be morally right to do Y - opposite of X.
(3) The moral objective in 2 will be embedded as a GUIDE within the moral framework.
If it is immoral to kill another human being, then it is moral right not to kill another human being. That is so straightforward. It is a question whether I or anyone like it or not, the opposite in case is objectively right morally as justified.
Note I have already provided the logical justification so many times, you seem to have missed that?
Your exposition and counter to my argument above is off target and a strawman.