Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pm
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I will tell 'you', in case 'you' are still not yet FULLY aware; Living in and with this obviously completely wrong and stupid BELIEFS IS living upside down in the fallen human condition. Living in and with lies and dishonest IS living upside down in the fallen human condition.
And, HOW to right "yourselves" so that you can all live in the proper human way is to just STOP lying to "yourselves", and to just STOP being dishonest, with "yourselves", which just means BE Honest, ALWAYS, which, when done, it is found to be the actual and REAL KEY to unlocking ALL of Life's (so called) "mysteries".
I can NOT prove this to 'you'. Only 'you' can verify or falsify the Truth or NOT of this.
Why blindly believe?
Are you asking me what "I blindly believe", or asking "yourself"?
I seriously hope you are NOT asking me, because if you are, then I will say it once more. I nether believe nor disbelieve any thing (other than in thy True Self's ability).
Now please just accept that as, I do NOT believe any thing, let alone blindly believe any thing.
I hope this is the last time I have to explain this to you.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pmWhy not verify what human being on earth actually is? This is where we disagree.
How do you KNOW that this is where we disagree?
If I have to tell you what human being on earth actually is, which by the way I have already done previously in this forum, then that would mean that you do NOT know what human being on earth actually is to me, which then triggers me to ask you the clarifying question, How do you KNOW that this is where we disagree?
Also, what do you actually mean by asking me, "Why not verify what human being on earth actually is?" The reason why I have not verified this IS, BECAUSE NO ONE asked me to previously.
I could say, Why not verify what animal on earth actually is? but I would NOT do that because of the absolutely stupidity and ridiculousness to ask you why you have not yet done some thing, which was obviously NEVER asked for before.
To me, what a human being (on or off earth) is, is a human body with a being, or person, inside of it.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pmWe cannot solve the problem of the fallen human condition by saying what we should do but rather by consciously verifying that we are a plurality living in contradiction.
I seriously want to give up. We cannot solve ANY problem until what the problem itself is actually known.
You have yet to tell me what the "fallen human condition" IS, as well as what the "human condition" itself IS. So, I have absolutely NO idea what problem there is here.
Also, define and verify what this "plurality living in contradiction" actually is and means.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pmWe can do this by making the conscious efforts to "Know Thyself" or to have the experience of ourselves.
Are you seriously BLIND or just IGNORE what I write? I ALREADY KNOW thy Self.
End of story. Finished, Understood?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pmDon't believe it; verify it. Making efforts to "know thyself rather than imagining oneself requires the need, will, and courage to do so. Very few have it.
Are you under some sort of illusion that 'I' do NOT already KNOW thy Self?
You obviously have not got there yet, so for you to imagine that I have NOT, is a very short sighted view of things.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pmWhen we can come to admit we are the "wretched man" then it becomes unnecessary to defend our defense mechanisms so we can open to help from above. If you insist on proclaiming that you are God you deny yourself the ability to "know thyself," to have the experience of the plurality of the human condition which allows conscious help from above.
Either you are BLIND or you Truly do IGNORE the actual words that I say and write. I have NEVER EVER said 'you' or 'i' am God. Understood?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pmConsider Plato's Chariot analogy. The white horse is what it should be. It is the dark horse that has become corrupt. Why create all sorts of expressions of idolatry which only serve to worsen the effects of the fallen human condition including the idea that "I am God"?
What do you want me to say?
Tell me what to say, then will you be happy?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pm The question becomes how to cure the sick dark horse.
Will you please stop talking about and referring to horses. If the Truth be known I have absolutely NO idea what you are actually trying to refer to.
You ask me, Why not verify what the human being on earth actually is? I will ask you, What are you talking about when you talk about white or black horses?
So, Why not verify what the horse on earth actually is?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pm It begins with the conscious efforts to "know thyself." But how many even know what it means. Since we are as we are, everything is as it is. Healing the human condition isn't possible by analysis. It requires the experience of what we are. Admitting that we lie to ourselves and cannot help it is part of the beginning.
But you human beings can help from lying. Just saying you cannot help it, is just another lie, and another excuse, and another "justification", to just keep lying.
By the way are you under some sort of illusion that i have NOT already gone through all the discovering, learning, and understanding processes involved in FULLY understanding of and what the 'human being' itself, IS, before I came to the realization and KNOWING of what thy True Self IS after?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:11 pmNo condemnation is required; just the ability to open to the experience. It is a necessary part of self knowledge necessary for a person to one again become right side up.
And here it is I who has been saying ALL ALONG to OPEN UP. I have also ALREADY EXPLAINED exactly HOW to OPEN one's self up, to the Truth of things.
What I have ALREADY EXPLAINED SHOWS HOW to become what you call 'right side up'.
But for reasons only I KNOW, you will NOT even LOOK AT and CONSIDER this. This is because 'you' BELIEVE you KNOW the true, right, and correct. But obviously and sadly you have to still make conscious EFFORTS to just get to where you are now, which in all Honesty is WHERE?