"NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

[Greta]

If Henry has any sense he will slither back into the hole he slithered out of. But as he has no sense then it will be same old same old.....

It turns out that Mr Faux-Libertarian favour government interference into people's personal lives.

I guess this is the right time to then do DNA testing on the baby to:

1) convict rapist fathers, and

2) force the genetic father to pay alimony.

Then again ... do people in Alabama believe in DNA or do they think it's just another science-y plot to subvert the Divine Human?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

If Henry has any sense he will slither back into the hole he slithered out of. But as he has no sense then it will be same old same old.....

It turns out that Mr Faux-Libertarian favour government interference into people's personal lives.

I guess this is the right time to then do DNA testing on the baby to:

1) convict rapist fathers, and

2) force the genetic father to pay alimony.

Then again ... do people in Alabama believe in DNA or do they think it's just another science-y plot to subvert the Divine Human?

He's full of crap. His biggest beef is that any of his precious 'hard earned' money might get 'stolen by the commie bastards' to help fund accessible contraceptive and abortion services for women--especially poor black women. As he is also against any kind of welfare assistance or affordable health care for anyone ('let the b'stards starve/die in the gutter') then it's easy to see what his true agenda is.

[Walker]

More like: is it a person? When does it become a person? If it's a person, shouldn't it be accorded the same consideration as any other person?

The topic has turned into an inquiry that seeks to find the ethical consistency that allows for killing a human outside the womb, and not killing a human inside the womb.

To assuage the confusion: Intentional killing of an innocent human, in any stage of human development after conception, is wrong. Intentional in-womb killings are wrong because all stages of human development inside the womb are innocent.

This means that mental incompetence as a form of legal defense for the incompetent’s life requires that mental incompetence be a form of innocence, and if a savage innocence then the incompetent life gets segregated to the nervous hospital.

[Walker]

Then again ... do people in Alabama believe in DNA or do they think it's just another science-y plot to subvert the Divine Human?

Nothing so fancy.

The legal issue is state’s rights.

The governor of Alabama signed the legislation making abortion illegal in Alabama, in an attempt to force the principle of state’s rights before the SCOTUS.

Under the principle of state’s rights, a state would have the right to make abortion illegal or legal in that state.

People used to fly to Nevada for quickie divorces and marriages because of state’s rights. This is the same concept of state's rights. Nevada and any other state has the right to make laws that don’t necessarily pertain to other states. However, those laws must be constitutional.

Abortion was deemed constitutional in all states as a protection of privacy rights.

Since then, technology and its abuses has rather shredded the principle of privacy, which is a pro-life justification for a constitutional review of the 5-person Roe vs. Wade decision.

[henry quirk]

What a pregnant woman carries: is it a person? When does it become a person? If it's a person, shouldn't it be accorded the same consideration as any other person?

[Walker]

What a pregnant woman carries: is it a person? When does it become a person? If it's a person, shouldn't it be accorded the same consideration as any other person?

As spokesman for this nebulous "anyone":

Yes. A person is a person at all stages of human development after human conception. Human conception begins the journey of a life from one realm of interdependence to yet another realm of interdependence, however the duration of each realm’s sojourn is dependent upon relative conditions. The human eye lacks the capacity to see this inevitability without the proper microscope/inference, inference being why mentally competent women know that ain't no watermelon seed growing in there.

[henry quirk]

or ?

[Walker]

An ice cold watermelon on a hot summer evening after a day of sunburn was a big treat. The produce stand up on the hill had them floating in a big tub of ice water, fat green blimps floating with icebergs. Old timers warned the youngsters about the dangers of swallowing watermelon seeds.

[Greta]

Of course it's not a person.

Persons are persons. Foetuses are foetuses - different things.

Is every sperm truly sacred?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Is every sperm truly sacred?

No, and especially not when it has Henry's or ic's DNA in it.

[Walker]

Of course it's not a person.

Persons are persons. Foetuses are foetuses - different things.

Is every sperm truly sacred?

Every sperm needs an egg to become a person. The sperm romantically says to the egg, you complete me by making me more than what I was, even though I was the strongest back in the old days.

Writing foetus in place of fetus is like wearing a necktie to dinner.

A person is an amalgamation of processes constantly changing in various predictable stages of development and degeneration, however as with the infant or adolescent stages of person, the foetus stage of person will result in neither development nor degeneration into an elephant stage of person.

I am not an animal!
- Elephant Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn7bEVnFlds

[henry quirk]

"Of course it's not a person."

When, then, does it become a person?

4 weeks? 8 weeks? 3 months?

#

"Persons are persons. Foetuses are foetuses - different things."

Why can't a fetus be, why isn't a fetus, a person?

#

"Is every sperm truly sacred?"

No, but surely sperm & egg, together, become sumthin' more than just meat, yeah?

[Greta]

"Of course it's not a person."

When, then, does it become a person?

4 weeks? 8 weeks? 3 months?

You are asking me when there's copious amounts of information saying when the foetus becomes viable.

It's a disgrace that you are so utterly ignorant and incapable of your own research that you need to ask - and then you think you have a right to hold these strong opinions.


Yet, over all these years you have never shown even the slightest regard for non-foetal humans - not even a bit.

Please explain why foetal humans are valuable while almost everyone else is, in your words, "scum"?

[Greta]

Of course it's not a person.

Persons are persons. Foetuses are foetuses - different things.

Is every sperm truly sacred?

Every sperm needs an egg to become a person. The sperm romantically says to the egg, you complete me by making me more than what I was, even though I was the strongest back in the old days.

Writing foetus in place of fetus is like wearing a necktie to dinner.

A person is an amalgamation of processes constantly changing in various predictable stages of development and degeneration, however as with the infant or adolescent stages of person, the foetus stage of person will result in neither development nor degeneration into an elephant stage of person.

I am not an animal!
- Elephant Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn7bEVnFlds

You are an animal. We are all animals. Foetuses are not people, full stop.

In fact, if any of you ideologues stopped to think for a second you'd realise that infants and toddlers too are not truly human either, being less capable of reason than your dog or the cow you eat. They are potentially human but, then again we already have too many.

The mark of a human is the capacity for reason. Little blobs of protoplasm lack this quality, thus not human, only potentially so. If you are worried about the loss of a unique soul, don't worry, there's four "new souls" being born each second.

BTW, have you considered universal healthcare? That way you and Henry can save FAR MORE children than bringing women back under the thumb. Also universal healthcare improves child happiness and capacity to contribute as adults.

Your vote against universal healthcare kills just as surely as a vote for legal abortions - and it kills numerous people, not just foetuses. Lack of healthcare causes great suffering too. Do you care about suffering or only that a heart beats?

[Dubious]

Excellent post in which the reality of the situation is well described which means excluding all the sentimental, supercilious claptrap regarding fetuses and humans who aren't human yet.

This part is especially true...

You are an animal. We are all animals. Foetuses are not people, full stop.

In fact, if any of you ideologues stopped to think for a second you'd realise that infants and toddlers too are not truly human either, being less capable of reason than your dog or the cow you eat. They are potentially human but, then again we already have too many.

The mark of a human is the capacity for reason. Little blobs of protoplasm lack this quality, thus not human, only potentially so. If you are worried about the loss of a unique soul, don't worry, there's four "new souls" being born each second.

The fact remains that nature and not some imagined deity created us and every other blob of protoplasm which crawls on the planet. We're young meat when we're born and old meat (usually) when we die with not a single thing in-between to make life sacred. For any extra allotment of value we muster the imagination to perform that trick.