Don't insult yourself with the above strawman.Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:14 pm Here are two sentences, from the end and the beginning of a paragraph, quoted elsewhere by VA to support his claim that what we call facts don't exist.
'There is reality, to be sure, and there are entities in reality that we are able to name, but...'
'...we have no good reason to accept facts in our catalog [sic] of the world, on the major metaphysical theories of facts known to us.'
This kind of postmodernist crap has been passing for serious philosophy since at least the 1950s or 1960s. And VA thinks it supports an argument for moral objectivity - the existence of moral facts. The contradiction and cognitive dissonance is mind-boggling.
What I had always stated is, there is reality which mind-interdependent and conditioned within a FSK of subjective consciousness and consensus.
I don't accept your definition of 'what is fact' [complex entities, as state of affairs, that is the case and that-clauses] are mere abstractions which conditioned to your specific-Language-FSK is ultimately meaningless and illusory.
I have asked you to present your 'what is fact' with the appropriate references but you are a coward to do so.
PH: What is Your Definition of 'What is Fact'
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Meanwhile I have done further research to confirm your 'what is fact' is indeed never real, meaningless and illusory. I will present that later.
What I presented above has support from QM that what you termed as 'facts' are illusory and has no objective reality [in your sense].
In contrast, what I termed as facts [knowledge and truth] are like scientific facts as conditioned to the scientific FSK, thus being independent of the individual scientist or other individual's opinions and beliefs are objective.
It is in this sense that I claimed there are moral facts and that morality is objective.
You are the one who had dogmatically relied on 'what is fact' to leverage on what is objective; this is nonsense.
I am relying of what is reality, knowledge and truth as upon the scientific FSK to leverage on what is objective, thus morality is objective in that sense.