This Ultimate Reality aka Objective Reality when claimed as real is an illusion.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:57 amWe can get tied up with semantics but what you are referring to as objective reality is what is also called ultimate reality, which is a place of no things. Scientists tell us that there is only energy, nothing else. So, in the same way, that we turn energy into sound or energy into color so we turn energy into object/s. What is considered our day-to-day reality or apparent reality is a biological readout. Apparent reality is how energy is experienced by a biological subject. This is the relation between subject and object which stand or fall together. To try a clarify, it is the organism that creates its own apparent reality out of the experiences of the alteration's energies make to the body of an organism, it is through this bodily process that we come to know a world without.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:39 amYou mean the objective-reality is not experienced as it is?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:37 pm I believe the point is, that the objective reality is not experienced as is, but what it is to the body of a conscious subject.
The point is, there is no "objective-reality" as it is, i.e. independent of the biology [human self] that experienced it.
There is no objective-reality pre-existing the biology and awaiting the human self to experience and discover it.
Now, whatever that objective-reality that is supposed to be independent and experienced by the human self a posteriori do not exist as it is. That objective reality that is experienced as independent by the biological human self a posteriori is ultimately independent but is part and parcel of the human self a priori.
There is no absolutely independent objective reality awaiting to be experienced by a biological self.
To insist there is such a real independent-objective-reality is chasing an illusion.
The apparent independent-objective-reality is ultimately subjective, i.e. intersubjective, i.e. emerge from a convergence of subjects a priori.
Are you saying that energy is objective reality as it is?How energy is experienced as color, how energy as is, is experienced as sound, and how energy as is, is experienced as object. All these energies alter the physical body of a conscious subject, and what is experienced is how the body responds/reacts; be it color, sound, or object to differing forms of energy. You might call these energies simply energies, but to the conscious subject, they are its biological readout of what we call apparent reality, manifestations of biological reactions --- biological readout. A reality created by biology itself, where biology is the measure and meaning of all things.
Energy is actually a scientific reality which is conditioned upon the Science-Physics FSK which is ultimately intersubjective, not an absolutely independent objective reality.
Noted you are into Schopenhauer who believe what is objective-reality is the "WILL" that grounds all the 'biological readouts'.
Kant argued that such a 'Will' is illusory.
This illusion cannot be equated with the scientific reality of 'energy' E = MC2. Science never made any certain-claim that there is only energy and nothing else.
I have highlighted the thesis 2023 Nobel Prize of Physics proved there is no independent objective reality or ultimate reality.
You disagree with that?