Oh, please, Henry. Do you really want do what you like - steal, rape, murder? - you know, what you did when you were a moral subjectivist living 'without principle'? But, now you're a moral realist and objectivist, you 'restrain' yourself?henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:03 pm But I think the damage done by people convinced there are moral facts - *that, big surprise, happen to be what they believe anyway - **that's why showing that morality isn't objective is so important. It has practical, moral consequences.
*But that's not universally true. I've described my own move from subjectivism to objectivism. Bein' a subjectivist was easier, cleaner (do as thy will is whole of the law); objectivism (moral realism) is harder, requires me to pay attention (there is that which is always impermissible between and among men).
I'd be a liar if I said my old ways didn't still have an appeal...to live without principle can make for a spicy life. Instead, I choose to recognize a certain reality about man (and *ahem* the reality of the Creator) and restrain myself.
Point is: no, not every moral realist is a moral realist cuz he's naturally disposed to be.
**I wonder how many moral realists have been moved by any arguments presented in-forum? How many non-realists, I wonder, have moved becuz of arguments presented in-forum?
Well, since your delusion makes you a safer person for everyone else - stick to it, man. I advise all the religious sociopaths I know to do that.
(I don't think we should start on the creator stuff. Just another can of worms.)