Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:54 pm
promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:40 pm
Nuthin.
If a moral statement is an imperative, e.g., 'IC shalt not beat up Marx!', it can't be true or false, since it expresses only a command (and commands can't be true or false). If a moral statement is indicative, e.g., 'Marx sucks!', it's only emotive and expresses facts which aren't truth-apt. It is equivalent to saying 'boo Marx!', and that (boo) also can't be true or false.
Yep - nothing can make morality objective.
Is that an objective statement, or is that just your own subjective viewpoint, which is just you expressing your own beliefs, judgments, or opinions?
If it is the latter, then it therefore could be false, wrong, and/or incorrect, correct?
But if it is the former, then what, EXACTLY, makes that one an objective statement?
Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:54 pm
Nothing can make facts objective either.
Can opinions be wrong?
If yes, then EVERY thing you write and say here are just your opinions, right?
Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:54 pm
It can never be a fact that a thing is ugly/beautiful, or that an action is morally wrong/right.
Absolutely EVERY is relative, to the observer.
And, when, and IF, you ever SEE what 'objective' is relative to, EXACTLY, then you will SEE how 'morality' can be VERY objective.
Also, it is NOT action, which is morally wrong or right. It is the mis/behavior that 'you', adult human beings, do, which is morally wrong/right. Which, by the way, is an objective, and IRREFUTABLE, Fact.
When one has arrived at an IRREFUTABLE Fact, then they have also reached objectivity, itself.