Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:41 pm
Both of you seem to be only talking about words and opinions, while ignoring morality itself fundamentally. It's the very sensation, "experience" of rightness and wrongness.
Two people watch the killing of a condemned criminal by lethal injection. One experiences the raw sensation of horror and disgust. The other experiences the raw sensation of justifed revenge. So what's the moral facts of the matter?
An appeal to 'the very sensation, 'experience' of rightness and wrongness' is as useless as an appeal to intuition - and certainly no basis for any claim of moral objectivity.
Yes, 'morality' must be what is morality fundamentally which is fundamentally 'avoiding evil to promote good' for the sake of the human species.
Morality is fundamentally driven by an inherent
moral potential which when processed via the
moral FSK is represented by the physical neural states of
moral facts, for example the "
ought-not-ness to kill humans".
BUT this moral fact "ought-not-ness to kill humans" is not enforceable on individuals but merely be used as a moral guide for moral improvements in the future.
Given the present situation of the psychological states of the majority, a condemned criminal who had murdered another human is to be killed by lethal injection. This obviously is executed in accordance to enacted laws democratically accept or even via dictatorship.
The law is the law and the sensations and feelings of observers are independent of the laws.
However where there is an effective Moral FSK in place, the actual killings of the murderer and his victims generate a
moral gap between what has happened [humans killed] and the moral standard [the moral fact - no humans ought to be killed].
The moral gap of the moral FSK will then drive humanity [morally competent humans] to close the moral gap by reducing and prevent humans from initiating any killings of humans.
At present, the majority of humans are inherently beastly thus very likely SOME will kill humans instinctively and quite easily.
The task of humanity is to find ways to
inhibit this natural instincts to kill humans.
I am optimistic this can be achieved to a high degree in the future given the trend of the current exponential expansion of knowledge.
This is the proactiveness of a moral FSK relying on objective moral facts as standards for improvements in the future.
Without the identification of objective moral facts, one's moral system will be very subjective and anything goes, including the possibility of genocides and the extinction of the human species.