The Funny "Worshipping" of Nietzsche

[Necromancer]

When in fact the "worshippers" can't show for any credible ethics system that is all good or at least not evil beyond Kantianism!

One should remember that Ethics is indeed the description of good to be carried out as morality. While Christianity is most excellent, we now attribute the best Ethics to Kantianism, in my opinion, no other ethics to this quality described to this extent.

Here at the PN Forum, people, especially the Atheists, brag about how excellent they are in being both ethically minded and moral in life, yet they never want to reveal what ethics they believe in or credible solutions to existing problems in Applied Ethics that they wish to win people's hearts and minds for!

One clear case that has won people's hearts and minds is the human rights, UDHR, well within exactly the Kantianism.

So the challenge is right here. I bet you can't follow!

Links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Good_and_Evil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Antichrist_(book)

Cheers!

(Note: This is a possible repeat from a while earlier, but post "disappeared magically".)

[Eodnhoj7]

When in fact the "worshippers" can't show for any credible ethics system that is all good or at least not evil beyond Kantianism!

One should remember that Ethics is indeed the description of good to be carried out as morality. While Christianity is most excellent, we now attribute the best Ethics to Kantianism, in my opinion, no other ethics to this quality described to this extent.

Here at the PN Forum, people, especially the Atheists, brag about how excellent they are in being both ethically minded and moral in life, yet they never want to reveal what ethics they believe in or credible solutions to existing problems in Applied Ethics that they wish to win people's hearts and minds for!

One clear case that has won people's hearts and minds is the human rights, UDHR, well within exactly the Kantianism.

So the challenge is right here. I bet you can't follow!

Links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Good_and_Evil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Antichrist_(book)

Cheers!

(Note: This is a possible repeat from a while earlier, but post "disappeared magically".)

The moral system of Neitzche is premised upon destruction until what cannot be destroyed is left. Those who do not destroy or evil in the respect of allowing further evils to manifest themselves.

[odysseus]

Eodnhoj7:
One should remember that Ethics is indeed the description of good to be carried out as morality. While Christianity is most excellent, we now attribute the best Ethics to Kantianism, in my opinion, no other ethics to this quality described to this extent.

Why oh why would you think Kantian ethics "the best"? Is it through an analysis of our rationality that we come to understand our moral nature and obligation?: can you reconcile the idea that value, the the appetites and passions of our world, which is the stock and trade of ethics, with a purely rational accounting of what it means to be ethical? Kant thought desire should never be a part of ethics, that it should only be a matter of duty, but how is it that to treat another as an end rather than a means is in any way free of the desire to to the right thing? How can any action be without motivation?

[Necromancer]

When in fact the "worshippers" can't show for any credible ethics system that is all good or at least not evil beyond Kantianism!

One should remember that Ethics is indeed the description of good to be carried out as morality. While Christianity is most excellent, we now attribute the best Ethics to Kantianism, in my opinion, no other ethics to this quality described to this extent.

Here at the PN Forum, people, especially the Atheists, brag about how excellent they are in being both ethically minded and moral in life, yet they never want to reveal what ethics they believe in or credible solutions to existing problems in Applied Ethics that they wish to win people's hearts and minds for!

One clear case that has won people's hearts and minds is the human rights, UDHR, well within exactly the Kantianism.

So the challenge is right here. I bet you can't follow!

Links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Good_and_Evil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Antichrist_(book)

Cheers!

(Note: This is a possible repeat from a while earlier, but post "disappeared magically".)

The moral system of Neitzche is premised upon destruction until what cannot be destroyed is left. Those who do not destroy or evil in the respect of allowing further evils to manifest themselves.

But what if humanity does indeed get destroyed because of Nietzschean dominance (that, rightly, ensures some kind of survival to the end before destruction)? Indeed, what exactly is the Nietzschean point beyond Kantianism? Can there be Nietzschean ethics that is superior to Kantianism? This is the question. I think not! Thus, Nietzschean ethics is no longer relevant!

[Necromancer]

Necromancer:
One should remember that Ethics is indeed the description of good to be carried out as morality. While Christianity is most excellent, we now attribute the best Ethics to Kantianism, in my opinion, no other ethics to this quality described to this extent.

Why oh why would you think Kantian ethics "the best"? Is it through an analysis of our rationality that we come to understand our moral nature and obligation?: can you reconcile the idea that value, the the appetites and passions of our world, which is the stock and trade of ethics, with a purely rational accounting of what it means to be ethical? Kant thought desire should never be a part of ethics, that it should only be a matter of duty, but how is it that to treat another as an end rather than a means is in any way free of the desire to to the right thing? How can any action be without motivation?

By plausibility, I do think Kantianism the best. The democratic laws and regulations are well inside Kantian ethics and morality. When have you complained about the traffic regulations by your driver's license? Never?

Thus, the alleged Nietzschean "superior" ethics (and morality) never reveals itself? Why? Because it really is inferior and that the Nietzschean ethics may really be intended to cover up for immorality? I speculate...

[odysseus]

Necromancer
By plausibility, I do think Kantianism the best. The democratic laws and regulations are well inside Kantian ethics and morality. When have you complained about the traffic regulations by your driver's license? Never?

Thus, the alleged Nietzschean "superior" ethics (and morality) never reveals itself? Why? Because it really is inferior and that the Nietzschean ethics may really be intended to cover up for immorality? I speculate...

It's not a matter of how well it accommodates, it is a matter of how well it serves to describe what human ethics is about, and it is absurd to think that moral acts are exclusive of desire and entirely about duty. I like the selflessness of Kant's deontology, but I think the compassion, the empathy involved to help others, say, is more in line with genuine morality. Kant would have none of this.
Nietzsche is more in line with Aristotle: it is not the good act, it is the good person. I don't lie, not because lying is bad, but because I am not a liar. I am closer to this than Kant, though I'm not sure how Nietzsche can produce a moral society.

[Impenitent]

Nietzsche was never concerned with producing a moral society.

-Imp

[Eodnhoj7]

When in fact the "worshippers" can't show for any credible ethics system that is all good or at least not evil beyond Kantianism!

One should remember that Ethics is indeed the description of good to be carried out as morality. While Christianity is most excellent, we now attribute the best Ethics to Kantianism, in my opinion, no other ethics to this quality described to this extent.

Here at the PN Forum, people, especially the Atheists, brag about how excellent they are in being both ethically minded and moral in life, yet they never want to reveal what ethics they believe in or credible solutions to existing problems in Applied Ethics that they wish to win people's hearts and minds for!

One clear case that has won people's hearts and minds is the human rights, UDHR, well within exactly the Kantianism.

So the challenge is right here. I bet you can't follow!

Links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Good_and_Evil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Antichrist_(book)

Cheers!

(Note: This is a possible repeat from a while earlier, but post "disappeared magically".)

The moral system of Neitzche is premised upon destruction until what cannot be destroyed is left. Those who do not destroy or evil in the respect of allowing further evils to manifest themselves.

But what if humanity does indeed get destroyed because of Nietzschean dominance (that, rightly, ensures some kind of survival to the end before destruction)? Indeed, what exactly is the Nietzschean point beyond Kantianism? Can there be Nietzschean ethics that is superior to Kantianism? This is the question. I think not! Thus, Nietzschean ethics is no longer relevant!

Kantian ethics are strictly an expression of the will through "do no harm", which by default requires some form of personal or interpersonal form of annihilation to be achieved. Also, unless I am mistaken, it is doomed to fail due to the inability to preserve itself in the face of any form of aggression.

A synthesis of both are needed, Kant and Neitzche contradict themselves on their general premises.