thedoc wrote: TSBU wrote:
There are some who try to deny that humans are subject to instinct but this is just not true, there are many behaviors that are instinctive. For example a mother doesn't teach a baby how to suckle, that is instinctive from birth. Parents don't teach a baby how to crawl or walk, that is instinctive behavior that only needs the baby to grow and be strong enough to do it. Empathy, expressing affection, and some child psychology are all instinctive, the these are deficient or lacking in a few parents. When my daughter developed appendicitis she was complaining to my wife that her belly hurt, and my wife wasn't sure what to do. I asked her to point to where it hurt, and as soon as she did, I said to call the doctor, and then we took her to the hospital. There was instinctive empathy that she didn't feel well, and learned knowledge about where it hurt. The trick is to know when it's just a belly ache, and when it's something more serious, there is a mix of instinct and learning. Traditional village wisdom was based mostly on instinct and trial and error, and people should not be afraid to follow their instinctive feelings and to learn from their mistakes, but first they need to admit that they have instincts, and have made mistakes.
Maybe you should move this to epistemology or theory of knowledge, then I can show to your insctincts where are you misunderstanding many people.
If you wish to move this, please do so, otherwise just answer it here.
Quick answer then. Well, if you search for it, You'll find people who say that nobody has insctints in the way you (almost) define them, but usually, when people say that there aren't insctintcs, they are trying to say that every thought in our head is made after a process of thought (more or less complex) (if you look for people who say that the Earth is plane, you'll find them too). Of course, thinking itself is an insctint, and what we see, hear, etc, is evidently not a process of thought. if you want it that way, people who say that there are no insctints, are usually saying that they are "smaller". And EVERY human knowledge is learnt with experience, try, error, thinking and hearing. Nobody can know anything about reality only with books (or insctints)
Let's say the example you said, your daughter says that she is hurt.
You see her face and she looks truly hurt (not just the typical kid thing), even though you can't put in words all the things you see. That doesn't make the thing an insctint, you just learnt and you can't remember when, how to interpretate faces, and your daughter actions (by try and error). Or you see red and you think in danger, even though you can't say why. (That's probably an association with blood, stop signlas, etc). Or suddently you see a snake moving in the floor without knowing what is a snake and you jump (and that's just fear for the unknown learnt by getting hitten by the unknown, specially if it is moving fast in the floor)... etc. We don't have an exact plan in our brain, just very vague things that tend to end like the same plan for everybody.
The question itself can't be answered easily, and treating a boy witout knowing what the hell are you doing is as stupid as treating a boy only kowing exactly what to do. Both choices are absurd and impossible, and talking about the "better nivelation" is absurd too. This isn't a matter about citys or villages (My grandma had 6 kids in a village, she gave life in her house, one of the times, extractig milk from a cow, two of the babies died during that, you humans don't know how to make a shit, litteraly, search for it, you are making your poo in a wrong position for your body) We are not robots, nor bunnys.
Intelligent people are people who need less experience to develop better plans. And there are people who is better for some things and worse for others, there can be families with many children and compltely idiots with them, and people without them who would have been 1000 times better. "Don't take drugs if you have children, don't make childrens because you just wanted sex and you didn't have time to buy a condom" that makes many people with no children better than people with them.
Just act with what you consider truth and hear to what you consider wize, treating a children is not very different than treating an adult. And they are not equal either. No easy answers, no politics, and I want three cows and a goat.