Socrates

Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?

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Re: Socrates

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:35 pm

EchoesOfTheHorizon wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:28 am
Late elementary school is a good time for rhetoric. When the kids learn how to argue and make fun of each other, start fighting. That's when you know they are ready, as debate is largely a extension of these behaviors.
The truest statement here. At that age a child should learn to be able to fight with his body and mind.

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Re: Socrates

Post by -1- » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:51 am

tbieter wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:31 pm
Instead of an ad hominem attack on me, why not address the arguments in my letter.
Okay.

"But beyond knowledge, education was a process whereby virtue or the ability to lead a good life was acquired. And to cap it all, Socrates was in no doubt that education, by making one virtuous, was the surest road to happiness. He was the first seer we know of who pondered deeply on what makes humans happy and how such a blessing can be acquired. pp. 7-8 "

This "virtuous"-ness and "good life" is a question of debate to this day. To talk about Socrates, the important issue is to see the importance of how important it is to SEEK to live well and in a virtuous way. But you can't spoon-feed a recipe for that. That is exactly what Socrates did, (or Plato), and that is not ANY different from forcing Christianity or Marxism-Leninism or Muslism, or Trotskyism, or Buddhism down the throat of fifteen-year-olds.

And many Metiss and other North American First Nations and Aboriginal peoples will fight your adamant vehemence on the importance of Westernized education. In fact, the Government of Canada is squeezed by all kinds of interest groups, by moral and ethical vises, to compensate Indian boys (now adults) for being tortured, raped, and otherwise mishandled when they were torn out of their ancestral ways of living in Canada and forced into schools many miles away from their families to meet the provincial standards of "equal schooling for all".

Socrates / Plato can be used as a jumping board, but not a be-all and end-all in and by itself.

That is my criticism on the spirit or content of your letter.

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Re: Socrates

Post by -1- » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:53 am

""But beyond knowledge, education was a process whereby virtue or the ability to lead a good life was acquired. And to cap it all, Socrates was in no doubt that education, by making one virtuous, was the surest road to happiness. He was the first seer we know of who pondered deeply on what makes humans happy and how such a blessing can be acquired. pp. 7-8 ""

In the times of Socrates / Plato, the education included how to secure, keep, and control slaves. This skill/ know-how was ESSENTIAL to one's own ability to live a good life and a life of virtue.

Are you sure you want to teach this to kids?

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