Re: A Critique on Objective Morality
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:11 am
a ≠ b
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When you figure this out:Walker wrote:a ≠ b
Off on your own made-up tangent again. To follow your lead into regression, a ≠ b references the distinction between the words as and what, which references the contrast as an aid in comprehending the Golden Rule. creativesoul expressed difficulty in understanding the principle, thus your commentary is immaterial to the quote, though obviously it bears a relationship to something or other inane rattling around up in the attic. We encourage your perseverance into relevance.Hobbes' Choice wrote:When you figure this out:Walker wrote:a ≠ b
A's goodness ≠ B's goodness
; You'll have the sense of the thread.
This is merely an objective notation of subjective morality, not an objective notation of objective morality. You're off on another topic.A's goodness ≠ B's goodness
That's not an argument. It does not follow from that that "Do unto others what you would have done to you" does not suffer the same mistaken(false) presupposition that "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" does.Walker wrote:a ≠ b
Wrong. Different words result in different meanings.creativesoul wrote:That's not an argument. It does not follow from that that "Do unto others what you would have done to you" does not suffer the same mistaken(false) presupposition that "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" does.Walker wrote:a ≠ b
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.. and so? Your point?RWStanding wrote:Religion has its many faces, four as categorised. Two of these may be considered eccentric or atypical. Extreme religious sects or cults have existed that are self destructive, if not of society generally.
Mainline religions tends to be more socially responsible or they would not have existed and adapted over centuries.
There is of course a loosely anarchistic wing, in the image of hermits divorced from civilization.
But mainline religion has two faces which switch about alarmingly. There is the authoritarian face that once dominated, with the Church [for instance] ruling peoples' lives in considerable detail through its courts. The auto-da-fe. Obeying authority is expressed as obeying God.
Finally the altruistic face of religion, which is often confused by authority. Such as when a person does charitable work in obedience to the bishop or pope. This face is best expressed as the followers of Jesus of Nazareth following his example, not in obedience, but in the fact of being altruistic. Unfortunately this is often interpreted as a term synonymous with, nice.
There are no objective notions of objective morality, as objective morality is that upon which the subject may agree.Walker wrote:Off on your own made-up tangent again. To follow your lead into regression, a ≠ b references the distinction between the words as and what, which references the contrast as an aid in comprehending the Golden Rule. creativesoul expressed difficulty in understanding the principle, thus your commentary is immaterial to the quote, though obviously it bears a relationship to something or other inane rattling around up in the attic. We encourage your perseverance into relevance.Hobbes' Choice wrote:When you figure this out:Walker wrote:a ≠ b
A's goodness ≠ B's goodness
; You'll have the sense of the thread.This is merely an objective notation of subjective morality, not an objective notation of objective morality. You're off on another topic.A's goodness ≠ B's goodness
No. What I wrote was true, and what you've now added is utterly irrelevant. That wasn't an argument, and I agree that different words do result in different meanings. It's irrelevant because both meanings presuppose that everyone likes being treated the same way.Walker wrote:Wrong. Different words result in different meanings.creativesoul wrote:That's not an argument. It does not follow from that that "Do unto others what you would have done to you" does not suffer the same mistaken(false) presupposition that "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" does.Walker wrote:a ≠ b
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No it wasn't.creativesoul wrote:No. What I wrote was true, and what you've now added is utterly irrelevant..Walker wrote:Wrong. Different words result in different meanings.creativesoul wrote:
That's not an argument. It does not follow from that that "Do unto others what you would have done to you" does not suffer the same mistaken(false) presupposition that "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" does.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9YHobbes' Choice wrote:No it wasn't.creativesoul wrote:No. What I wrote was true, and what you've now added is utterly irrelevant..Walker wrote: Wrong. Different words result in different meanings.
Absolutely. If objective morality existed then it could not be invalidated. So morality therefore cannot be an objective construct. It is a consensus arrived at through inter subjectivity. This is not as rigid as the inter subjectivity of the scientific method but the principle is the same. The reason why this is is because morality changes over time and because the inter subjectivity of one particular demographic might not the same as another with respect to the same issue. This is why moral issues are by their very nature contentious. Because they cannot be treated objectively. Though the notion of objective morality is itself an example of the inter subjectivity of a particular demographic. And because it is it cannot be regarded as objective in the sense that that demographic wants it to be. And so no inter subjective appraisal of morality can therefore be objective so long as counter appraisals contradict it. So then for objective morality to be true it would have to be incapable of any valid alternative interpretationsHobbes Choice wrote:
There are no objective notions of objective morality as objective morality is that upon which the subject may agree
Of course. The concept "objective morality", has been thoroughly debunked and no one has stepped up to refute that, nor defend the term.creativesoul wrote:Anyone of you people have an argument?