Building a good Ethical theory

Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?

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marjoramblues wrote:
And when we do learn from history? When do we learn from history?
There have always been some individual who could see what was wrong and which path ought not to be taken, and every one of them was branded An Enemy of the People *...
I agree that it is a brave individual who can see what is wrong, blows the whistle and has to live with the consequences.
Prof: This in the system of Ethics is known as Moral Courage.

I also 'get' the frustration that for all our talks of peace and Peace Talks, that when push comes to shove it is the Powerful who are in the driving seat.

Prof: YOU have power if you would only use it ! The job (of Applied Ethics) is to empower people from the bottom up - in contrast with the acceptance of 'Top down.' Read Howard Zinn, THE PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED SATES http://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-U ... oward+zinn to learn how culture actually evolves, how conditions change.


No Grand Ethical blueprint will stop this. We all have a moral compass.
People, around the world, are now better informed and can react quickly to Dictatorial President's wrong decisions. One of globalisation's benefits.

...humans must turn to violence.
What use building yet another Ethical theory?
Waving existing ethical codes might change the direction of the elite as they drive past in their limousines.
More important - is being kept aware of leaders and politicians who attempt to sneak in wrong laws which turn protesters into traitors. the environmentally-aware into 'Marxists'.
Yes, and as confirmation of what you say, C-Span interviewed a film-maker, a director of a documentary about what occurred in Egypt, in 2011, in Tahrir Square, which has received world-wide recognition; this is must-viewing :!: Here is a link to the inspiring interview:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/317182-1
What she has to say will give us hope.

Further, it is good to remind ourselves that out of the dissolution and decline of The Roman Empire came modern Italy, and many nation-states arose. As the Brits well know, the decline of an empire is not the end of the world.

As you know, in the 18th Century duels were common among men who felt obliged "to defend their honor." Today, we don't see that practice much.

Historian Rachel Selden, author and professor, tells us that American politicians in the 19th Century - prior to the U.S. Civil War, would not be considered as civilized by today's standards. The legislators were often violent, and would hit one another over the head with a cane - without even being angry as they did it - if they disagreed on a point. Currently, such violent conduct is deterred by statute laws and the threat of jail time. Our law reflects - a bit more closely - Ethical priniciples ...the moral law.

The failure to read the last 9 pages of the book, BASIC ETHICS, namely, pp. 36-45, led you to label the whole package as 'repetitious.' There is new material there you haven't seen before. ...and it's easy reading. Could it be that the judgment made of the system was premature?
See: http://tinyurl.com/mfcgzfz

Check out pages 36-45 and you may be pleasantly surprised.
There is a use to building another ethical theory. And this forum {Ethical Theory} is dedicated to theory. Hex-Hammer's conception of ethics is is properly the business of the Applied Ethics forum. He graduated with an A grade from Trash Talk 101. His native tongue is Danish, and we ought forgive his fracturing of English grammar, and his spelling.
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prof wrote:Ethics can focus on the moral agent or on the moral situation. The moral agent is a man or woman – or an in-between; let us here refer to this as the individual.

Ben, in Australia, Ben contributed this: "The optimum state for one's survival, flourishing and well-being, is to have social interaction. In order to create, promote and sustain a healthy society at its optimum, it is necessary to will for, and to work for, not only one's personal health but also for the health of one's community and one's environment.

Those who will to harm others in their community are engaging in unhealthy and irrational behavior if their objective is survival, flourishing and well-being.
Fine let's dicuss this then and make a long haul of it.

- it's pure nonsens that "The moral agent is a man or woman - or an in-between", to pour out toxic chemicals are not relating to any sex, and can't be seen as a person. Toxic chemichals will often make unmichigating damage to the enviroment.

- Ben, in Australia is utterly wrong. It's very damageing for a healthy community to make wealthy snobs to mingle with the poor, if one forces the different societies to mingle then they'll just move, and the community loses vast amount of good taxmoney.

- so, if parents wants to harm child molestors, it's "unhealthy and irrational behavior", no it's very rational and logically.

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Everything in OP is pure nonsens and babble, nothing is actually useful and will do mor harm than good to promote as actual ethics.

It should be removed as this is a total disasterous emberresment to the site.

I stop here to rip apart your OP since you will just ignore everything you say and dismiss it as being wrong.
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Where did Ben, in Australia, say what you said he said?

And how did toxic chemicals get into the conversation? Do you have an Ethical Theory to derive your conclusion about them - for this is a Forum on theory, and is what you brought up }off topic"?

I agree with you that selfish types may move away from a "healthy" community if forced to mingle, but who said anything about forcing them?? {I grew up in a neighborhood, The West End, of a prominent city, where a few well-off folks lived on a gated street surrounded by extreme poverty -- and everyone got along fine. As it turned out, the City, conspiring with a developer and a major hospital adjacent to the neighborhood, decided to raze the area to the ground after panicking out the residents, causing a diaspora. It was done in the name of "Redevelopment." High-rises were erected. A museum dedicated to the memory of my old neighborhood remains there to remind tourists of the flavor of our little microcosm of the planet - for we had every culture imaginable in this small area. The laws of eminent domain were used to compensate some property owners. Most who lived there were renters, though. Our superior-quality public library was not wrecked, and it is still there.}
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It has something to do with cognitive abilities, to understand anologies!
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Okay. Thanks.

I'll work on trying to develop some cognitive abilities.
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