You've used that verb with justification. What did you mean? I'm happy with whatever you meant when you used it. Or when you would use it.
Right.Used/mentioned. Potato/potatoh. You are the one talking about justifications.
I didn't request a justification from you.Everything is expressive. But when you request things from other people it would bode well to demonstrate how you would go about fulfilling your own request.
I did ask for sentences that you thought required justification, if any.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:15 pm No, not with me here, but you do use them. Justification is fairly easy to find, and I give a sample below, a little spread out over time. Assertion seems to be embroiled in discussions of assertions in your posts, so I'll leave that out.
Sure, but since I didn't ask for justification, but have asked about your ideas about what sentences require justification, that reflects my interest in the latter and disinterest in the former.That's a moot point. What you consider sufficient justification and what I consider sufficient justification may be very different things.
OK; great. Would it be fair to say that you expect or require justification if the other person is presenting an argument?That's a different use of "justification" - it's in the context of an argument, not in the context of mere self-expression.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:15 pmThis requires justification. For your claim to be true red must be ontological.
OK, great. So, what are the signs that something is a claim and not self-expression or just self-expression? This may or may not overlap with the being a part of an argument category?That's a different use of "justification". It's in the context of a claim being made.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:15 pmIf you begin with the ASSUMPTION that "everything is different" then sameness requires justification.
if you begin with the ASSUMPTION that "everything is the same" then difference requires justification.
I wasn't picking examples that I thought were incorrect.Naturally. That's how information/synthesis works - by contrasting with the default position.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:15 pm
It seems like with some statements you expect justification. With others not. What are the criteria?
Oh, oh. We might have two facing mirrors.They vary. Depending on the context. More often than not - the criteria are my interlocutor's own critreria applied back to them. Because recursion/self-application is my thing...
Gotcha.The higher you expect me to jump to "justify" my self-expression - the higher I'll make you jump to defend yours.
I was expressing myself. If I want you to justify something, I'll probably ask for it explicitly.Then I don't know what you meant when you said "In any case, the justification for these assertions would include ontology."