There is no moral objectivity like that of Mathematics?

Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?

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Veritas Aequitas
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There is no moral objectivity like that of Mathematics?

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Note this video which assert otherwise.

Imagine You Are a Moral Realist | Silvia Jonas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kzaXNPf7rQ

Why moral judgments cannot be objective truths?
  • Ethical differences between first order moral judgments make it difficult to threat those judgments as apprehension of objective truths,
    J L Mackie 1977
  • Disagreement about [a moral matter] X is best explained by there not being any objective fact of the matter about X
    Brian Leiter 2009
Mathematical truths are objectives thus different from moral statements with no universal consensus.
  • Persistent disagreements on foundational questions ... distinguish moral theory from inquiry in the Sciences and Mathematic.
    Brian Leiter 2009

But note there are significant disagreements in mathematics,
  • Indeed, for core claims in every area of mathematics, from set theory to analysis to arithmetics, there are some .. who deny these claims"
    Justin Clarke-Doane 2014
Is Mathematics really Ideal?
  • "Contrary to the popular (mis)conception of mathematics as cut-and- dried body of universally agreed-on truth and methods, as soon as one examines the foundation of mathematics, one encounters divergences of viewpoint and failures of communication that can easily remind one of religious, schismatic controversy"
    Geoffrey Hellman and John Bell 2006

Mathematical Pluralism
Joel Hamkin 2012 claim there are many corresponding set theoretic universes.

The point here is,
if there are disagreements in mathematics and yet mathematics can be objective the above sense,
then, it is possible for even if there are disagreements in moral judgment, there are moral objective truths in that same sense.

I have already argued for such moral objectivity in the various threads.

Do you agree to the above?
or insist there can be no moral objectivity.
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Impenitent
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Re: There is no moral objective like that of Mathematics?

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moral objective of mathematics...

could that be a positive or negative thing?

-Imp
Veritas Aequitas
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Re: There is no moral objective like that of Mathematics?

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Impenitent wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:58 pm moral objective of mathematics...

could that be a positive or negative thing?

-Imp
Not "moral objective of mathematics", rather in the context of the OP...

The critical element is "objectivity" which I claim is the same in both mathematics and morality, in addition to science and any other field of knowledge.
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