Age wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:06 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:23 pm
philosopher wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:54 pm
Is it possible to break down "us vs. them" mentality? How?
* Ban on team sports on large/nationwide levels.
* Ban on non-professional uniforms (police officers should carry a uniform as part of their profession, but uniforms symbolizing an ideology or religion should be banned - like Ku-Klux-Klan-uniforms and niqab etc.). Also, school uniforms should be banned.
* Abolish conscription in countries where any such thing exists.
* Make it legal to desecrate private possessions of national symbols (ie. if you own a flag of your own country, you should be free to burn it).
* Other bans on nationalism.
Read Pirsig's "Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". It is a good book.
In it he presents an argument I agree with (but am expanding upon right here): Western culture is grounded in Aristotelian Identity properities that necessitate an "us vs. them" mentality founded within the empirical perspective as "atomism". This atomism is summated under the these identity properties, within the grounds of "logic" as a means of interpreting reality, through the law of excluded middle where the "or"function is the focal point in which the western perspective is defined as a process of measurement.
In simpler terms when we observe the "or" function what we observe fundamentally is an act of separation itself as "or" is the foundation of the first "dichotomy" or "dualism", thus setting the grounds for the relation of "parts" (whether these parts are actual empirical phenomenon such as the atom, or abstract phenomenon such as the concept).
All particulation is atomism at its core, thus setting foundations for "relativity", with this atomism and relativity sythethised under the perspective of materialism through empiricism.
Aristotelian identity properties are a zeitgeist that form much of academic, and by default the surrounding, culture and as such they are as much a perspective and "means of measuring" reality considering they set the assumed axiomatic base western culture is founded upon. The "vs." mentality, exemplified under the law of excluded middle, while assumed, is a manner of assumption itself in which a phenomenon is observed an divided.
This division, whether it be abstract or empirical with this dichotomy in itself being subject to this same law of excluded middle, requires a projection of the observer as the observer him/her self is the"means" of separation in which the individual is the "point of awareness" that exists through that assumptive nature of "or".
"or", as a logical function, is a means of assumption in the respect and as such sets "a" grounding for awareness when observing the nature of assumption (or rather assuming assumption) requires a process of reception in which a phenomenon is defined "as is" thus necessitating a form of seperation because of its very act of definition requires a simultaneous "what it is not". A phenomenon, such as a bird, is assumed for what it is by what it is not, thus necessitating "or" as "assumption" being equivalent to a process of separation.
This "or" as the focal axiom of awareness reflects back to the psychology of the peoples and the culture composed of these peoples.
This further sets the ground for the process of "individualism", as a separation from the herd, that sets the context for current societal standards (under the context of consumer self-expression) that can be observed in the western process of individuation observed in Jungian Psychology, Darwin's Theory of Evolution (which mirrors Jung's process of individuation), Einstein's Relativity as the foundation for atomic technology, etc. that exists through the current industrialized manner we perceive reality as an "us vs nature".
In simpler terms, the "vs" mentality (or rather the extremes to which it is taken as competition and seperation is inevitable), can be argued as a logical conclusion to the foundations our civilization was built upon and is evidenced by the perceived social and world division resulting in what exists today.
All you have done is just more or less explained what has
happened, up to now.
The question is asking how can we defeat, or change, this most idiotic mentality?
And what "is" happening and "will" happen as well. This idiotic mentality, as grounded on illusion or false foundations of reality, will eventually cancel itself out (like all evil by nature does) when a proper catalyst occurs that it cannot hold up to.
From the perspective of "logic as a premise for civilizations grounding interpretations of reality", logic itself must be destroyed. In destroying logic, however, we are still applying logic as a means to destroy logic thus necessitating logic to exist. Thus the destruction of one logic necessitates the assumption of another.
This assumptive process, which itself is assumed thus necessitating isomorphism/recursion where one assumption is turned to many and these many assumptions observe the recursion of the one assumption through variation, is inevitable.
Assumption is the foundation of logic considering "the assumption of a premise" is the premise of logic as logic itself and is an inescapable constant truth where even the first axiom of the Munchauseen Trillema (all axioms are assumed) is in itself assumed, thus self negated as a fallacy. The fallacies act as the negative boundaries as to what "logic is not", thus necessitating an isomorphic or thetical nature, as to "what it is".
This negative approach, or "cataphatic" in the terms of theology (which must also be observed considering both theology and logic stem from a assumption of "Logos" or some absolute truth that in itself is absolute because of continuity), as the foundations of logic/theology inevitably must be ruthlessly destroyed as well.
Logic and theology, through metaphysics as "being que being" as "isomorphic/recursive assumptions", set the foundations for culture where culture stems from the latin "cultura" quite literally is the cultivating of mass perspective where certain agreed axioms set the continuum of our actions through "values" (values are the continuous irrational means through which we fold through time and space and manipulate it).
These agreed axioms act as the metaphorical tools which cultivate the field of the masses awareness, or the zietgiest, which fundamentally is "mass perspective" as mass assumption of reality which reflects the foundations of awareness as "measurement" in itself synonymous to "divine plan" of pre and post socratic conceptions of "the logos".
The zietgiest, as mass assumption, necessities itself as a "general point of awareness" considering it is a multiplied general state of "individual" assumptions where the individual act of assumption, as grounded in empty mindedness where a phenomenon is imprinted upon an "empty field" synonymous to a single point, is isomorphically observed in a recursive state.
In simpler terms the individual nature of assumption as awareness is replicated, through recursion, into a multiplied state where "I" exists through many "I"s with the idenity of "I" founded as a point of awareness because of assumption itself. Logic, as a means of defining reality which consists of the "I" itself, is as much an individual endeavor as much as a group agreed upon dogma.
Axioms are the abstract tools through which perspective is formed considering the nature of perspective is grounded in a process of imprinting in which the psyche, much like a field found in nature is synonymous to point space as a boundless field, is transformed by what it assumes. The axiom penetrates the field, in turn transforming it, and thus reflects not just basic agricultural methods as the foundation for civilization or the basic movement of a phenomenon warping the space around it through relativity but also the base act of sexual reproduction or the active male and passive female dichotomy found in nature.
This nature of logic, as an interpretation of reality, changes in accords with the axioms assumed with the destruction of axioms in turn changing the nature through which the field of awareness manifests itself. Tools form "reality", change the tools and reality changes.
Logical fallacies, as axioms in themselves, are tools.
This is considering to apply the logical fallacies to negate logic itself requires the negation of the fallacies as well requires logic to have actual undiscovered/created foundations.
Thus to change the nature of logic, the first place to start in the assumptive process, is the "self" and how judgments are and are not applied.
This is all assumed of course, but this assumption of assumption by default follows its own laws and as such is rational.