What do we know about Ethics?

Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?

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FlashDangerpants
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Re: What do we know about Ethics?

Post by FlashDangerpants » Sun May 27, 2018 10:56 pm

prof wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 9:35 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 9:09 pm

... you simply brand me the thought police...
Why do you assume I was talking about you?
Are you taking the piss?
You wrote....
As I was about to submit this post I heard from the Thought Police who accused me of being "evasive," "unable to recognize limits," and accused me of putting forth an argument to the effect of :
... and then you quoted me. Don't be obtuse. You really do get pathetically fatuous when stuff isn't working for you.
prof wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 9:35 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Your definition of Ethics is self serving and incomplete, also as expected.
And are you implying that what you write is not 'self-serving'? Or is this a case of "the pot calling the kettle black"?

Of course it's 'incomplete.' I'd rather be congruent (coherent) than complete; one cannot be both at once, as Kurt Godel demonstrates.
Again... you demanded an exact definition from me.
You owe me an exact definition, not a half of a starting point for further discussion.
prof wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 5:38 pm
What, pray tell, is your exact definition of the concept "ethics"? Many, if not most, philosophical disputes turn on miscommunication due to the use of vague and ambigous words.
You insisted on removing vagueness and ambiguity, but now you are pretending you didn't.

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Re: What do we know about Ethics?

Post by prof » Mon May 28, 2018 7:04 pm

In keeing with the topic of this thread, here are some more points to consider:
To have enlightened self-interest is to know that what helps you, if it really helps you, helps me. We go up or down together. It also is wise to realize that we can create value or destroy it, when we encounter another individual.

Creating value is better since we thereby gain more value in life. Doing this brings us closer to a Quality Life, a life of well-being, a life in which we thrive ...a life which Aristotle spoke of as having eudemonia and arête;h appiness and high standards of excellence.

The moral values held by an individual give us information about that person. This formation is a fact about that individual. Moral values are facts about conscious human beings. Facts are
objective. Thus moral values are objective. They are also subjective at the same time.

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Re: What do we know about Ethics?

Post by FlashDangerpants » Tue May 29, 2018 12:13 am

So presumably you have now recovered from another of your little tantrum meltdowns by pretending none of it happened have you?
prof wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 7:04 pm
The moral values held by an individual give us information about that person. This formation is a fact about that individual. Moral values are facts about conscious human beings. Facts are
objective. Thus moral values are objective. They are also subjective at the same time.
What are you hoping to show with that?
Obviously you aren't planning with this argument to show that moral values are objectively verifiable in the same way that scientifically verifiable facts about the universe are.

I was never planning to deny you the right to hold that "Jerry believes that stealing is wrong" is a fact.
But "stealing is wrong" remains a proposition that cannot be held scientifically.
and if that silly argument you present here is supposed to change that, you need some lessons in elementary logic.

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Re: What do we know about Ethics?

Post by prof » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:53 pm

As I see it, Ethics is the same as good human relations.

And if you regard the people you encounter (ordinarily) as "a treasure", with a story to tell - from which one can learn something - you will perform a service just by listening to them. If you then ask, "Can I be of service in some way?" this often has a multiplier effect, like ripples in a stream. The individuals involved may want to do each other favors. If they possess a sensitive conscience, they may want to match the blessing bestowed on them. Soon it becomes evident that, in a sense, giving and receiving are the same.

Your goodness, your kind act, may initiate a chain reaction of "paying it forward."

Have you seen this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g - "The Empathic Civilization."

If so, it is worth seeing it again.

And this one, on how to spread the word about an aspect of ethics, (and who especially to spread it to - namely, little kids -) "putting materialism in its place:


B. J. Thomas – “Using Things and Loving People”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_K9NtiLi_E


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Let's hear your comments on the subject.....

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