On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by Walker » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:22 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:02 am
Odd that some words have escaped. Shouldn't it be 'Phenix Arizona'? Or 'ameba'? What about 'Edipus complex'?
The only reason the yanks changed foetus to 'fetus' was because it looked too 'Frenchy', not because it had its root in the old Latin 'fetus' for 'offspring' (supposedly). I am sure the Romans would have had an actual word for 'foetus' but the internet is so blatantly biased towards Americanisms that it's virtually impossible to find the real origin. As I thought though, it has to do with pronunciation in late, or Mediaeval, Latin, and English. An 'e' on its own is still pronounced with a short 'e' as in 'pet', 'wet','met', 'Pegasus', 'medical' etc. etc. Hence the pronunciation of foetus as 'feetiss' (so you can see the inconsistency and silliness of pronouncing 'fetus' as 'feetiss').
Not to mention (but I will) the fact that the misogynistic god-bothering tossbuckets are trying to use the tenuous 'old Latin' connection as some sort of anti-choice 'argument'.
How about that.
I was not seeing tus as tis.
To me, tus sounded like us, not hiss.
I don't often speak or hear the word.

What about Pakistan?
Up until Dear Leader’s time in the spotlight, I had only heard “Pack-is-stan.”

Then he came along to shine the light on “Pock-eee-stan.”

Did he shine truth, or affectation?

We also heard a lot about the Talleee-Bon.
Most American folks said Tala-ban (three soft a’s).
Were they wrong to do that?

(Your last sentence about the Latin offspring was off my radar.)

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:32 am

Say 'feet uss' by all means. :roll: And there are accents to consider. A Kiwi saying what they think is 'fee iss' will sound like 'foo tus' to anyone else (like fush and chups, or Australian 'feesh and cheeps').

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by Walker » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:10 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:32 am
Say 'feet uss' by all means. :roll: And there are accents to consider. A Kiwi saying what they think is 'fee iss' will sound like 'foo tus' to anyone else (like fush and chups, or Australian 'feesh and cheeps').
“Australian 'feesh and cheeps'”

Let me get this straight.

The two e’s together are pronounced as a single long e?

Like the e sound in He, extended?
Like screech?
Like the ea in peach?

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:24 am

Poor thing.

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by Walker » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:02 am

Bail early and the rabbit hole stays shallow, but after all, it is only a rabbit hole.

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:05 am

No argument then. Go and study your Meriam Webster. English is obviously far too complex for you.

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by Walker » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:17 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:05 am
No argument then. Go and study your Meriam Webster. English is obviously far too complex for you.
I see no cause to do that.

It’s your shallow rabbit hole, labeled “foetus.”

And, you dug down as far as you could go.



Wouldn't it be something if life actually was a dress rehearsal.

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:25 am

What the fuck are you on about? Webster tried and failed to phoneticise English, so he then tried to make some sort of political statement about yank nationalism by showing the middle finger to 'brits' and their 'snooty brit and frenchy spelling' little realising that it was his own language--rather like cutting off a healthy leg and replacing it with a plastic one--because you wanted to lose weight. Or punching yourself in the head because you don't like your reflection. You can't just 'simplify' something that has evolved over hundreds of years, from a variety of languages.

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by Walker » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:57 am

Okay, fine. I get the umbridge. I gotta say though, Feesh and Cheeps sounds like something Cheech Marin would say, and he ain’t Australian.

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:10 am

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by Walker » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:50 pm

Your simpatico with this Umbridge character caused me to take Fowler off the shelf.

The 2 editors of the 3rd edition, Fowler’s Modern English Usage, express your same strong bias.

From Fowler:

Foetus, fetus.
“Despite its etymology … blah blah … the form with the –oe- has been consistently used in BrE for some four centuries, and should be retained. The AmE spelling is fetus, and this spelling has gained ground in medical writing outside the US, but has not yet established itself in lay use outside N. America. The corresponding adj. is foetal in BrE and fetal in AmE.”

I like the spirit. It says, we don’t need no stinking reasons. It’s just bloody right, and that’s reason enough.

That is a philosophy of sorts.

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:26 am

There is no such thing as 'BritE'.
And you are the one who keeps bringing up 'Umbridge' :roll:

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:25 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:26 am
There is no such thing as 'BritE'.
And you are the one who keeps bringing up 'Umbridge' :roll:
There is British English for which BritE is an abbreviation.

So Walker has coined a new word which makes sense.

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by Walker » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:38 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:26 am
There is no such thing as 'BritE'.
And you are the one who keeps bringing up 'Umbridge' :roll:
The abbreviation "BritE" is part of a quotation from Fowler.

Umbridge the concept can’t refute Fowler’s abbreviations.

“Henry Watson Fowler (1858-1933) is a legendary figure and his Dictionary of Modern English Usage (MEU), first published in 1926, is one of the most celebrated reference books of the twentieth century.”
- Preface to the Third Edition

Fowler is the acknowledged authority on English usage.
It says so right on the book jacket.

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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:14 am

Can you read? Even a little bit?

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