On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue
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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue
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IF Stormy Daniels has an audio of Trump suggesting to her to get an abortion, and I have the funny feeling she does, this, would basically be, admission to suggest to Stormy to commit murder.
How Trump's 33% unmovable base would react to him suggesting to Stormy to commit murder will be fascinating...
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IF Stormy Daniels has an audio of Trump suggesting to her to get an abortion, and I have the funny feeling she does, this, would basically be, admission to suggest to Stormy to commit murder.
How Trump's 33% unmovable base would react to him suggesting to Stormy to commit murder will be fascinating...
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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue
Trump's a realist. A pragmatist. It's why he's president.
People know why they elected him.
People know who he is.
People also know that abortion on demand was determined to be the supreme law,
by the will of five people,
not the will of the majority of the people.
That's a fact. Judge it as you will, and find cause.
People know why they elected him.
People know who he is.
People also know that abortion on demand was determined to be the supreme law,
by the will of five people,
not the will of the majority of the people.
That's a fact. Judge it as you will, and find cause.
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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue
What's 'silly'?Walker wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:44 pm Don’t be silly. You insist on having words put into your mouth. However, and this is meant to be observational rather than judgmental, this desire for total control over one’s own body and what grows inside appears to be a state of selective, relative autonomy. This same autonomy of self-ownership is knowingly, consciously, surrendered at other selective times, under certain conditions such as take me now Jesus ‘cause I can’t stand no more goodness! This certainly has philolsophical implications.
Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue
Excessive focus on umbridge.
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Who or what is 'stormy daniels'?
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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue
If you'd rather not derail the discussion too much, than that''s fine, because I'm suggesting that it's actually relevant to your belief that it's no one else's business. If that principle is flimsy the second it goes to an implication that you don't like, it's probably not a principle you actually hold. "It's no one else's damn business", except the act of a child actually being born does have implications to the other parent's wallet. Obviously, this wouldn't be an idea exclusive to you, there are many pro-choicers who hold this exact statement yet also want a ton of government oversight to help take care of her baby once it's born.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:23 amI don't really have any opinion on it, as long as it's fair. Why would you bring that up? No one on here is talking about child support.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:19 amWhat's your opinion of child support? Not asking as a way to make an argument against that, by the way, because I more or less agree with that sentiment. I'm very pro-choice myself. I'm just genuinely curious.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:02 pmBecause it's none of your damn business, that's why.
Perhaps you could start another thread titled 'On the topic of child support--an ethical issue''.
But maybe you have a reconciliation to the two ideas.
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They are two completely different topics. Are you saying males should be able to force women to have abortions because they don't want to pay child support? Do men have to pay child support before the child is born?Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:17 pmIf you'd rather not derail the discussion too much, than that''s fine, because I'm suggesting that it's actually relevant to your belief that it's no one else's business. If that principle is flimsy the second it goes to an implication that you don't like, it's probably not a principle you actually hold. "It's no one else's damn business", except the act of a child actually being born does have implications to the other parent's wallet. Obviously, this wouldn't be an idea exclusive to you, there are many pro-choicers who hold this exact statement yet also want a ton of government oversight to help take care of her baby once it's born.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:23 amI don't really have any opinion on it, as long as it's fair. Why would you bring that up? No one on here is talking about child support.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:19 am What's your opinion of child support? Not asking as a way to make an argument against that, by the way, because I more or less agree with that sentiment. I'm very pro-choice myself. I'm just genuinely curious.
Perhaps you could start another thread titled 'On the topic of child support--an ethical issue''.
But maybe you have a reconciliation to the two ideas.
You could always set out your own legislation here, that is fair to all parties (it might take a while though).
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Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue
I think it shows a pretty direct inconsistency. It doesn't make a good case that it should be no other person's business, if it legally will be, and you don't have any problem with that.
No, I said that I agree with the idea that it's no one else's business. I think the solution is to get rid of something there, but definitely not the woman's ability to choose.Are you saying males should be able to force women to have abortions because they don't want to pay child support?
Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue
Everything. SD just might be, the umbridge of excessive focus.
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It still has nothing to do with child support. And women have to pay that too. I wonder how many males who whine about child support are also anti-choice.
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No. But it does have something to do with the idea that 'it's (not) someone else's business'.
Well I'm not arguing whether it's a technically fair system. I'm saying that for it to not be anyone else's business, you have to act like it's no one else's business.And women have to pay that too.
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Then why aren't you asking me if it's anyone else's business which school you choose for your children, or if you regularly see the dentist? You need to be more specific. To be on the topic of abortion and then just randomly say 'what do you think of child support' is a bit ridiculous don't you think?Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:02 amNo. But it does have something to do with the idea that 'it's (not) someone else's business'.
Well I'm not arguing whether it's a technically fair system. I'm saying that for it to not be anyone else's business, you have to act like it's no one else's business.And women have to pay that too.
Child support concerns children and not foetuses right? Or does it start at conception in your country?
I do happen to think there is a lot of unfairness in the system, but it's still not relevant to this topic.
Re: On the topic of abortion - an ethical issue
If the pregnancy is a consequence of a woman’s sole autonomous control and say over her body, then why is the man obligated to pay any support at all? Ethically, autonomous control and say comes at the price of responsibility for the consequences.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:19 amWhat's your opinion of child support? Not asking as a way to make an argument against that, by the way, because I more or less agree with that sentiment. I'm very pro-choice myself. I'm just genuinely curious.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:02 pmBecause it's none of your damn business, that's why.
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So then you agree that if a woman must give birth at the behest of those who are 'pro life' then it is ony right that those who are 'pro life' should support the 'life' throught to its complete independence.Walker wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:19 amIf the pregnancy is a consequence of a woman’s sole autonomous control and say over her body, then why is the man obligated to pay any support at all? Ethically, autonomous control and say comes at the price of responsibility for the consequences.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:19 amWhat's your opinion of child support? Not asking as a way to make an argument against that, by the way, because I more or less agree with that sentiment. I'm very pro-choice myself. I'm just genuinely curious.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:02 pmBecause it's none of your damn business, that's why.