That's because your explanation revolves around a world of words in which we are just expected to believe that what you believe "in your head" about this soul and the Deist God need be as far as you go. Like Mannie's "proof" that the Christian God resides in Heaven. Both of your "rational" and "logical" explanations are accompanied by zero substantive evidence. Unless, with Mannie, you want to call those videos evidence.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:16 pmI've explained -- multiple times -- how I got there. When I do: you pooh-pooh.No, I'm the one asking those who claim to have a soul to explain to me how they have convinced themselves that they do. Given that there are many, many religions out there that insist that all souls are obligated to follow the One True Path to immortality and salvation. Their own path. I suggested the Vatican to you because your friend Mannie is likely able to advise you what to expect from them given the extent to which he believes that Catholicism itself reflects True Christianity.
Mr. Snippet again.
Really? Note a few examples.
Anyway, I'm more than willing to allow others here following our exchange to decide for themselves which of us deserves the title Mr. Snippet.
tell me what on earth his point here really has to do with mine
Let's rewind...
What's that got to do with my point? Both sides insist it's the other side who is "doing wrong" with their property. Both sides take the high road. It only then comes down to the part where an incident ignites a spark that ignites their rage and the weapons they have access to.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 11:28 pmYeah, I asked the same question: becuz these hillbillies, rednecks, crackers, niggas, defectives, and pinheads do wrong with their property, I should give up mine, why?
Note to others:Again, what's that got to do with my point? Calling other people names and setting them apart from yourself, doesn't change the fact it's not only you who gets to say when others do wrong with their property.
And gun laws are passed in any particular community precisely because different people view private citizens ownings guns [especially military grade weapons] given different sets of assumptions: https://gun-control.procon.org/
Make up your own minds.
Again, because it's always you who gets to decide when in regard to guns, others are doing wrong.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:16 pm Again: becuz others do wrong with their property, I, when I've done no wrong with it, should be deprived mine?
We live in a country in which "democracy and the rule of law" is something citizens either take seriously or they don't. So, if, down the road, citizens elect a government that passes a law making the buying and selling of bazookas illegal, you either abide by the law until you can elect a government to change the law or you go Ruby Ridge on us. Fuck the law! I decide what is right and wrong. My God given Soul is never wrong about these things. And I'll blow away anyone who dares to challenge me. Or get blown away myself.
Again, there's a part of me that can respect this and a part of me that cannot. But then re dasein that's what being "fractured and fragmented" is all about. Arrogant, authoritarian bullies like you, on the other hand, "just know" that, in the end, they will have God on their side.
Just and unjust here are what you say they are.
In other words, natural and unnatural are what you say they are.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:16 pm Nope. Just and unjust are what naturally derive from a person's right to his life, liberty, and property.
Well, not counting those times in which, in regard to the "big stuff" like guns and abortion, you did admit that you were in fact wrong.
Also...
And may well be wrong again.
Note to others:henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:16 pm It's possible, yeah. I may, in fact, be the kind of robot with no right to diddly that you believe you are. I'm open to your evidence: sock it to me.
Does anyone here actually believe that henry will ever admit that he is wrong about any of the "big stuff"?
Think about it...
Like all the rest of us, he has no way to really know what new experiences, new relationships or access to new information and knowledge will come his way. Something extraordinary that might actually persuade him to change his mind. After all isn't that how life does unfold in a world teeming with contingency, chance and change. We just don't ever really know for certain what's around that next corner.
Unless, of course, we live in a wholly determined universe and nothing that we do could we ever have not done. But henry has his own arrogant, authoritarian dogma regarding that too.
Of course: the Ruby Ridge mentality. In America there is the Constitution, there is democracy and the rule of law, there are elections to vote into office men and women to pass and enforce laws that folks all up and down the political spectrum favor.
But fuck that! Let's go back to the law of the jungle where either might makes right or right makes might prevails. There's what you know "in your head" that constitutes justice -- just us -- and you'll barricade yourself on your property and fight to the death to preserve your own political prejudices. Derived ultimately from God Himself.
Somehow.
Enough said about Mr. Snippet?