iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:41 pm
As for you, all I'm noting is that given my own subjective reaction to your posts here [and that's all it is, my own personal opinion rooted
existentially in dasein] your points strike me as so clearly inadequate for a philosophy forum, that a 'condition" is one possible explanation.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:57 pmNobody, including you, apparently, has any idea what you think you mean by that.
Again, you merely assert things like this as though that in and of itself constitutes the evidence needed to make it true. Whereas I go to great lengths in the OPs here...
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&t=185296
...in attempting to explain what I think it means. Not only in intellectual contraptions but given the actual existential trajectory of my own life.
After all, you're the objectivist here. You're the one who connects the ontological and teleological dots between abortion, the Christian God and Judgment Day. You're the one who insists that in regard to abortion our very souls are at stake.
Right?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:57 pm No. Abortion, like any other sin, can be forgiven. But one has to see it for what it is, be ashamed, and ask for that forgiveness. Otherwise, like any other sin, abortion occasions judgment.
Right. And how is being forgiven or not forgiven by God not in turn necessarily embedded in how you connect the ontological and teleological dots between abortion, the Christian God and Judgment Day?
You don't even think through your own dogmas here.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:26 am
Note to others:
Be honest.
How can someone who equates demonstrating the existence of the Christian God in Heaven as he does above with demonstrating the existence of the Pope in the Vatican not be afflicted with one or another mental "condition"?
How is his "standard" of evidence here not ridiculous?
The only way most of us might argue that there is not sufficient evidence that the Pope, really, really, really does reside in the Vatican is to suggest something akin to solipsism or sim worlds or dream worlds or something out of the Matrix.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:57 pm It was your demand and your test. Not mine.
Let's see how others weigh in here.
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:58 pm Well, it's not "mine," in the sense that I didn't invent it; it's only "mine" in the sense that among all these, I chose it.
I invariably find that people who speak of "hundreds of religious paths" and such have investigated either very few or none of them. So it seems odd that they want to assert this as a problem. I don't think it's nearly the problem you imagine it to be.
Come on, IC, like they can't argue exactly the same thing about you and your God. And let's not forget what is at stake here for mere mortals on both sides of the grave. You'd think the real deal Christian God would make it absolutely clear that His path is the One True Path. And not make it necessary for the flock to take "leaps of faith" to Him or to make "wagers" when confronting the possibility of oblivion.
As for it being a problem, if you believe that God provides us with objective morality on this side of the grave and immortality and salvation on the other side, and you note that down through the ages there have been countless religious denominations all claiming to provide us with the One True Path to them...
That isn't a problem for us mere mortals?
Only unlike most of them it's not a Kierkegaardian leap of faith to God, it's "evidence" that in fact He does exist. The kind of evidence that no reasonable man or woman can possibly deny.
This kind of "evidence":
https://youtu.be/hHXXacBAm2A
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... SjDNeMaRoX
Indeed, after watching these videos, I challenge anyone here to still doubt that the Christian God resides in Heaven.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:57 pm Go and find out. That's the only way to do it. See if what any of them claim holds up.
Please. I gave you the opportunity on other threads to note the most powerful evidence in the videos that the Christian God resides in Heaven... and over and again [like now] you merely punt that task to me and to others. Mr. Snippet, meet Mr. Wiggle.
Then
this sort of "argument" again...
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:57 pm No, you don't believe that...not if you know anything about what those "religions" or "paths" actually say.
You can only believe that by not knowing any of them at all, really.
In stead of doubting, just do it. Then you won't need anybody to tell you.
So, I'll repeat myself:
Please. How is this not the sort of "argument" one would expect to encounter in church or around the dinner table at home or on a Christian website or in a social media venue.
But at the Philosophy Now magazine forum?!!
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:58 pm Well, that is a problem: "dasein," for you, has no meaning. You say you're not using Heidegger's version, or anybody else's -- it's your own, you say. So nobody but you knowns what you mean by "dasein." When I asked, you, yourself were unable to tell me what your definition of it is.
Absent that, nobody can even know what it is you're asking...
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:58 pm No, no... no running away. Just give your definition.
Do it right here.
That is actually what you construe to be me "running away" from the issue!!!
Now I'm supposed to believe it is not a "condition" that propels your own "definitional logic" here?
How about if we exchange post after post regarding how to define "define"? Anything to keep your Christian God up in the spiritual clouds.
The heavens that from time to time send asteroids and comets our way bringing about "extinction events". And the Earth which was hard-wired by God to bring about that "endless procession" above.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:58 pm Are you "extinct"? I hadn't noticed.
No, you're not. so you have no such complaint against God.
A wink? I'm still around so I have no right to complain about the millions upon millions of men, women and children who suffered horrific fates as a result of that procession from the Christian God above?
That explanation actual works for you...and you
don't have a "condition"? Come on, it's either that or you are a complete fool.
Well, if "I" do say so myself.
Then back to the Bible. That book that must be true because it is the word of the Christian God. And, in turn, precisely because it is the word of the Christian God that proves that He exists.
That sort of definitional/deductive logic?
And who was it other than God that created human biology with its countless terrible medical afflictions that make life a living hell [eventually] for all of us.[
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:58 pm The Bible says our biology was made good, and had no such characteristics. But mankind's choice to reject the Source of Life and Health Himself led to the inevitable fall, not just of mankind but of the creation of which he/she has been given stewardship.
Prompting me to note...