Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:01 pm
iambiguous wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:13 pm
iambiguous wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:54 pm
Just for the record, given my own subjective assumption that we live in a No God world, I believe that each of us as individuals acquire our views about abortion and murder [on this side of the womb] existentially.
For personal reasons rooted largely in the life that we live, a life subsumed historically and culturally and experientially out in particular worlds understood in particular ways, we come to choose one set of behaviors rather than another.
What one person deems to be immoral in any particular context another person is able to rationalize as the right thing to do. And the reasons here are embedded in the extraordinary complexities embodied in all of the countless possible genetic and memetic variables and permutations.
Lives can be so far removed from other lives that who is really able to take that into account in order provide us with the optimal set of behaviors. Or, for some, even the only behaviors that, deontologically, all rational and virtuous men and women are said to be obligated to choose.
Abortion is just a particular stark behavior because it revolves literally around life and death
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:58 pmRight. So Westerners deem woman to have rights, and other cultures deem them to be subhumans who can be raped or sold. You're fine with that?
Come on, Mr. Snippet, what on Earth does this out of the blue retort have to do with my point above?
You don't condemn anything, it seems. You just take complete moral relativism for how things are. So it has a lot to do with your self-descriptive work above.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:58 pmSo Islamists who own slaves and rape children...okay by you, because they believe they're in the one truth path?
...what's that next to the Christian God creating "...an endless procession
Nobody says God "creates" these things. Well, animists do, maybe...they have "gods" that "create" all sorts of phenomena, from crops growing to lightning bolts. But no Christian thinks that's what these things mean.
You need to update your theology.
Likewise, this: "Miscarriage is generally defined as the loss of a pregnancy before viability. An estimated 23 million miscarriages occur every year worldwide, translating to 44 pregnancy losses each minute." National Library of Medicine
And as you point out:
...most won't blame God.
So why do you?
Christian theology says we live in a broken, disrupted world, wherein mankind has rejected God. Natural disasters are not God getting angry, nor God punishing people, nor any such simplistic idea as that. It's a natural product of our disjuncture from the Source of life, health and goodness, which we human beings have ourselves caused.
You won't like that: but the alternative is worse. It's called "death," and it's the inevitable outcome of living creatures having rejected God. Unplug yourself from the source of life, and you'll run down fast.
Seen this way, you realize that being allowed a chance to live, and to choose differently, even in an imperfect world, is vastly preferable to what we really have coming to us.
So what do you want? Do you want to rail against God and die? Or do you want something better? The choice is yours. And you have time and space to decide now, because God is not allowing this imperfect world to crash completely...yet. As the Bible says,
"God is patient toward you, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."